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 Badger11  Beckenham 12 Feb 21 7.54am |
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Originally posted by DanH
See, that's a fine reason. Specific reasons regarding the EU, not some flimsy anti-immigration rhetoric founded on a misunderstanding of the previous EU rules which we had signed up to and had flexibility over how to implement. I don't think even the staunchest remainer would suggest that the EU cannot be criticised. There is a lot wrong with it - their recent behaviour over the vaccines just the most recent example. Historically it's treatment of Greece has been extremely unpalatable. Overall though being a part of it, and an influential part of it at that, is far preferable to being totally on the outside, trying to punch above our weight in a global world. Needing to rely on our neighbours for a myriad of reasons is not going to go away. It's far more difficult to do that on the outside. Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump. We are the 5th biggest economy that does count for something you know.
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| Matov 12 Feb 21 8.20am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Who wants us to be important on a global playing field? I constantly hear from the Remoaner side how Brexit was really a kind of nostalgia for Empire and yet not one single Leaver I have ever spoken to has mentioned that as a factor. The reality is that many of us see Empire as an utter curse, the consequences of it playing out in the negative. If anything I would have thought those on Remain/Left side of things would have been the ones cheering it on given how it has helped with our national diversity now? Surely a positive from your point of view? Right? Or do you wish we never had been a colonial power? Just remained this homogenous, wind and rainswept little island off the coast of Europe?
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| DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 8.30am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
We are the 5th biggest economy that does count for something you know. Were. Shrank nearly 10% in 2020. And now we need to try and recover that in an environment outside our biggest trading bloc.
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| DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 8.36am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Who wants us to be important on a global playing field? I constantly hear from the Remoaner side how Brexit was really a kind of nostalgia for Empire and yet not one single Leaver I have ever spoken to has mentioned that as a factor. The reality is that many of us see Empire as an utter curse, the consequences of it playing out in the negative. If anything I would have thought those on Remain/Left side of things would have been the ones cheering it on given how it has helped with our national diversity now? Surely a positive from your point of view? Right? Or do you wish we never had been a colonial power? Just remained this homogenous, wind and rainswept little island off the coast of Europe?
Edited by Matov (12 Feb 2021 8.21am) So you don't want Britain to be leading the way in terms of innovation, technology, science, security, medicine, academia, the arts etc. etc. and have thriving and growing industries and opportunities for those in our country to be ambitious, thrive and be prosperous? You would rather we were an irrelevant little island that was left alone and left others alone?
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| Eaglecoops CR3 12 Feb 21 8.51am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Were. Shrank nearly 10% in 2020. And now we need to try and recover that in an environment outside our biggest trading bloc. Did no other economies shrink during 2020?
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| Stirlingsays 12 Feb 21 8.59am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Did no other economies shrink during 2020? I know....some economic degree wasn't it.
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| Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 21 9.12am |
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Originally posted by DanH
See, that's a fine reason. Specific reasons regarding the EU, not some flimsy anti-immigration rhetoric founded on a misunderstanding of the previous EU rules which we had signed up to and had flexibility over how to implement. I don't think even the staunchest remainer would suggest that the EU cannot be criticised. There is a lot wrong with it - their recent behaviour over the vaccines just the most recent example. Historically it's treatment of Greece has been extremely unpalatable. Overall though being a part of it, and an influential part of it at that, is far preferable to being totally on the outside, trying to punch above our weight in a global world. Needing to rely on our neighbours for a myriad of reasons is not going to go away. It's far more difficult to do that on the outside. Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump. I don’t wish to discuss again the implementation of EU Immigration policy, as that has been regurgitated many times. Suffice to say EU nationals can only be refused entry on 3 specific areas: Public Health, Public Policy and Public Security. What I will outline is the biased against our own nationals compared to EU nationals in a specific area: DanH as a British Citizen if you married a Foreign National, your wife would require a Spousal Visa. To qualify you would have to provide evidence of a valid marriage, documentary evidence that you have adequate maintenance and accommodation to support her ( without recourse to public funds) and an intention to live together. If you satisfy these requirements you will then pay approximately £2000 for the visa.
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| DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 9.15am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Did no other economies shrink during 2020? Of course, but early signs suggest ours is amongst the deepest, and we are trying to recover in less favourable economic conditions than others around us. The cataclysmic shock of the pandemic is as close to hitting a reset button on huge economies that we will ever get. The global landscape economically will look a lot different once we are out the other side of Covid. Those countries who dealt with it better are already experiencing the economic benefit. Edited by DanH (12 Feb 2021 9.15am)
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| DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 9.16am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I know....some economic degree wasn't it. You should try doing some academic reading on the subject. You've exposed your glaring misunderstanding of macroeconomics numerous times on here.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 12 Feb 21 9.21am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Of course, but early signs suggest ours is amongst the deepest, and we are trying to recover in less favourable economic conditions than others around us. The cataclysmic shock of the pandemic is as close to hitting a reset button on huge economies that we will ever get. The global landscape economically will look a lot different once we are out the other side of Covid. Those countries who dealt with it better are already experiencing the economic benefit. Edited by DanH (12 Feb 2021 9.15am) Which countries are those because I see none in the EU coping particularly well. The Chinese seem to be doing well, funny that!
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| Stirlingsays 12 Feb 21 9.44am |
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Originally posted by DanH
You should try doing some academic reading on the subject. You've exposed your glaring misunderstanding of macroeconomics numerous times on here. I've done enough reading on economists to know that your particular lens on the EU is nothing like a consensus. Yet you make extremely simplistic statements like that, where you suggest otherwise and also where you isolate the effect of covid onto the UK when it's a global reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2021 9.46am)
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| DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 10.00am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Which countries are those because I see none in the EU coping particularly well. The Chinese seem to be doing well, funny that! No, all the EU is struggling at the moment as a lot of countries are still struggling with pandemic. Australasian nations (China included) that were a lot stricter with their controls and have come out the other side a lot quicker are rebounding a lot quicker. The EU (and Britain) will have a lot of catching up to do.
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