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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jun 21 2.03am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I expect you would have preferred how it was before. Constant warfare is of course good for the soul.

That's fear mongering.

Besides, the argument was always about the type of EU.

 


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Do you have any idea what "chlorinated chicken" actually is? Seems not

Originally posted by croydon proud


Apparently, chlorinated chicken adds to the flavor and any welts or extra leg, second head ,on the animal is given free by the farmers!

 


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Some pesky facts

What is chlorinated chicken?
Chlorinated chicken – or chlorine-treated chicken – refers to chicken that has been treated with antimicrobial rinses in order to remove harmful bacteria. These rinses are often referred to as Pathogen Reduction Treatments (PRTs) in the US.

After the birds are slaughtered and the carcases eviscerated, they are examined and then undergo a “final washing procedure”, where chemicals are applied as a spray or wash on the processing line, “or as an addition to the water used to lower the carcase temperature”.

Why is it used in the US?
To help manage pathogens like salmonella and campylobacter and protect consumers from infections.

According to a report from the Adam Smith Institute (which argues in favour of allowing PRTs), “immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.”

So if you want your salmonella risk seven times higher than need be well you're in luck.

In Asia there is a lot of poultry from the US sold as a premium product, more expensive than Brazil which is the main supplier of Asian markets.

Despite this, the ignorance bandwagon for chlorinated chicken is full

Basic supermarket chicken in the US is about the same is USD per lb as £ per lb in UK but that is pretty much true of everything in the US.

Unlikely there would be a mass dumping of US chicken in the UK


Edited by HKOwen (22 Jun 2021 12.32pm)

 


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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 22 Jun 21 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Some pesky facts

What is chlorinated chicken?
Chlorinated chicken – or chlorine-treated chicken – refers to chicken that has been treated with antimicrobial rinses in order to remove harmful bacteria. These rinses are often referred to as Pathogen Reduction Treatments (PRTs) in the US.

After the birds are slaughtered and the carcases eviscerated, they are examined and then undergo a “final washing procedure”, where chemicals are applied as a spray or wash on the processing line, “or as an addition to the water used to lower the carcase temperature”.

Why is it used in the US?
To help manage pathogens like salmonella and campylobacter and protect consumers from infections.

According to a report from the Adam Smith Institute (which argues in favour of allowing PRTs), “immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.”

So if you want your salmonella risk seven times higher than need be well you're in luck.

In Asia there is a lot of poultry from the US sold as a premium product, more expensive than Brazil which is the main supplier of Asian markets.

Despite this, the ignorance bandwagon for chlorinated chicken is full

Basic supermarket chicken in the US is about the same is USD per lb as £ per lb in UK but that is pretty much true of everything in the US.

Unlikely there would be a mass dumping of US chicken in the UK


Edited by HKOwen (22 Jun 2021 12.32pm)

Just a few "pesky facts" for you to read:

[Link]

"The use of processed animal protein (PAP) such as meat and bone meal in poultry feeds is
prohibited by legislation in the EU
(Regulation 1069/2009), although certain low-risk materials of
animal origin (non-poultry), such as processed fishmeal and calcium phosphates are permitted. In
the USA, meat and bone meal is allowed in feeds for poultry. There are no regulatory controls on how
these are produced but several HACCP-based voluntary programs can be followed.
"

"Regarding carcass decontamination, only potable or clean water can be used in the EU to remove
surface contamination from products of animal origin. Whilst there is a legal basis for allowing the
use of alternative substances, at present no other decontamination treatments are authorised for
poultry in the EU. In the USA, the Code of Federal Regulations provides approval for food grade
substances for use in poultry and an FSIS Directive lists safe and suitable ingredients that may be
used. All procedures must be approved by the USDA to ensure that they are equal to or better than
carcasses that have not been treated. Currently, over 40 chemicals and chemical mixtures have
been approved for use as poultry carcass decontaminants in the USA
."

"The EU has set challenging requirements for the control of Salmonella, both through the National
Control Plans and by specifying the absence of Salmonella from neck samples after chilling. A recent
report indicated that for EU countries operating control programs, the incidence of Salmonella in
broiler flocks before slaughter was 3.7%. The same report found that the incidence for the EU as a
whole increased to 7.5% at retail level, with some important differences between Member States.
For the USA, a recent report concluded that Salmonella was isolated from 13% of retail chicken
samples in 2013
."

"In conclusion, it can be seen that many elements of the poultry meat supply chain are regulated
through precise and specific legislation in the EU. At present, equivalent national legislative controls
are not apparent throughout the USA
in a number of areas but voluntary standards may apply
instead."

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Jun 21 1.35pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

It will be interesting to see how they disguise meat from the USA and Australia as there is far greater consumer awareness of the quite disgusting standards in their meat production.

And the public will be thinking of transfer of infection from animals to humans, probably a cause of pandemics.

If the public are aware then they will surely not buy.

The new trade agreement between the UK and Australia does not retain the previous EU standards.

But then Truss promised it would.

Desperation for a trade deal with only downsides to it.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Jun 21 1.53pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'Australia’s Meat Consumption Hits Lowest For 25 Years, According To New Report'

Worth noting USA and Australian consumers are in flight from their meat standards.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 22 Jun 21 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

I suggest you now look at campylobacter.

We have looked at this before, presumably people have short memories or were sitting at the back of the class.

We don’t want to suffer US rates of food poisoning.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 22 Jun 21 2.17pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Some pesky facts

What is chlorinated chicken?
Chlorinated chicken – or chlorine-treated chicken – refers to chicken that has been treated with antimicrobial rinses in order to remove harmful bacteria. These rinses are often referred to as Pathogen Reduction Treatments (PRTs) in the US.

After the birds are slaughtered and the carcases eviscerated, they are examined and then undergo a “final washing procedure”, where chemicals are applied as a spray or wash on the processing line, “or as an addition to the water used to lower the carcase temperature”.

Why is it used in the US?
To help manage pathogens like salmonella and campylobacter and protect consumers from infections.

According to a report from the Adam Smith Institute (which argues in favour of allowing PRTs), “immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.”

So if you want your salmonella risk seven times higher than need be well you're in luck.

In Asia there is a lot of poultry from the US sold as a premium product, more expensive than Brazil which is the main supplier of Asian markets.

Despite this, the ignorance bandwagon for chlorinated chicken is full

Basic supermarket chicken in the US is about the same is USD per lb as £ per lb in UK but that is pretty much true of everything in the US.

Unlikely there would be a mass dumping of US chicken in the UK


Edited by HKOwen (22 Jun 2021 12.32pm)


Sounds yummy!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Jun 21 3.31pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Do you have any idea what "chlorinated chicken" actually is? Seems not

I thought they use it to wash prepared salads?

Also the reason the EU banned it was dodgy. The EU report found nothing wrong with it however they said it was likely to lead to the lowering of hygiene standards in the slaughterhouse.

In other words the workers might become lazy. Well that applies to any slaughterhouse anywhere that is why you need good inspection.

My concern is the lack of consumer labelling I want to know where my meat has come from, its welfare whilst alive and how it was slaughtered.

After that it's consumer choice.

 


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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 22 Jun 21 5.03pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

Just a few "pesky facts" for you to read:

[Link]

"The use of processed animal protein (PAP) such as meat and bone meal in poultry feeds is
prohibited by legislation in the EU
(Regulation 1069/2009), although certain low-risk materials of
animal origin (non-poultry), such as processed fishmeal and calcium phosphates are permitted. In
the USA, meat and bone meal is allowed in feeds for poultry. There are no regulatory controls on how
these are produced but several HACCP-based voluntary programs can be followed.
"

"Regarding carcass decontamination, only potable or clean water can be used in the EU to remove
surface contamination from products of animal origin. Whilst there is a legal basis for allowing the
use of alternative substances, at present no other decontamination treatments are authorised for
poultry in the EU. In the USA, the Code of Federal Regulations provides approval for food grade
substances for use in poultry and an FSIS Directive lists safe and suitable ingredients that may be
used. All procedures must be approved by the USDA to ensure that they are equal to or better than
carcasses that have not been treated. Currently, over 40 chemicals and chemical mixtures have
been approved for use as poultry carcass decontaminants in the USA
."

"The EU has set challenging requirements for the control of Salmonella, both through the National
Control Plans and by specifying the absence of Salmonella from neck samples after chilling. A recent
report indicated that for EU countries operating control programs, the incidence of Salmonella in
broiler flocks before slaughter was 3.7%. The same report found that the incidence for the EU as a
whole increased to 7.5% at retail level, with some important differences between Member States.
For the USA, a recent report concluded that Salmonella was isolated from 13% of retail chicken
samples in 2013
."

"In conclusion, it can be seen that many elements of the poultry meat supply chain are regulated
through precise and specific legislation in the EU. At present, equivalent national legislative controls
are not apparent throughout the USA
in a number of areas but voluntary standards may apply
instead."

There's no point in just trotting out facts unless you state - for the benefit of ignorant people like me - what conclusions you draw from those facts.

You say meat and bone meal is allowed in chicken feed in America but not in the EU. What about it?

You say over 40 chemicals and chemical mixtures are used as poultry carcass decontaminants in America but not in the EU. Again, what about it?

You say a report found that eight years ago 13% of retail chicken samples in the US were infected by salmonella, compared with a recent finding of 7.5% in the EU. I don't think scientists would place much reliance on that "comparison".

If you think that these "facts" mean that EU chicken is healthier, safer, tastier, or in any way superior to American, then say so. Otherwise, they're meaningless.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

'Australia’s Meat Consumption Hits Lowest For 25 Years, According To New Report'

Worth noting USA and Australian consumers are in flight from their meat standards.

Or are they just coming to their senses and not eating meat?

 

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Originally posted by JRW2

There's no point in just trotting out facts unless you state - for the benefit of ignorant people like me - what conclusions you draw from those facts.

You say meat and bone meal is allowed in chicken feed in America but not in the EU. What about it?

You say over 40 chemicals and chemical mixtures are used as poultry carcass decontaminants in America but not in the EU. Again, what about it?

You say a report found that eight years ago 13% of retail chicken samples in the US were infected by salmonella, compared with a recent finding of 7.5% in the EU. I don't think scientists would place much reliance on that "comparison".

If you think that these "facts" mean that EU chicken is healthier, safer, tastier, or in any way superior to American, then say so. Otherwise, they're meaningless.

Best you stick with your KFC, make it a large bucket, don't forget to lick your fingers :-)

Edited by Orange1290 (22 Jun 2021 5.27pm)

 


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