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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 31 Mar 24 9.32pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Me accept the future! That’s rich coming from one of the group completely unable to do just that.

I accept that the future for us and most other developed countries is going to be very different to the past. Instead of fighting the inevitable I prefer to see us preparing for it and making sure it will work for us.

Trump is not inevitable. I cannot stop him but I can try to support those who can.

As for Torba, he is a very pertinent example of the sickness infecting the USA. He is worth reading just to understand how extreme some of the views are.

Both Trump and Torba are part of the same problem. One that is not on our doorstep but looms over us nonetheless. Am I obsessed by it? I am certainly very concerned by it. I think I have good reason to be, and think we all ought to be.

By the way I did a little research on the use of the prerogative “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. It’s interesting. It seems it’s not the first time those who oppose a President have been accused of having a “Derangement Syndrome”. Indeed I recall just how shocked I was when I heard my ex pat American friends describe Obama. Someone I had a great regard for as a decent man. They absolutely hated him, but when you tried to find out why the reasoning was very thin. Mostly it was because they opposed gun control and trying to bring the costs of healthcare under control.

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My experience of speaking to people in America is that a lot of them didn't like Obama's health care reforms. Whether they were right or not is moot but America is a foreign country and whatever we in Britain think about their opinions we have no more understanding than we do of Peruvians or Malaysians.
When it comes to Trump the fact that his name comes up in completely unrelated threads indicates that some are obsessed by him and only the obsessed would deny it.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Mar 24 10.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

My experience of speaking to people in America is that a lot of them didn't like Obama's health care reforms. Whether they were right or not is moot but America is a foreign country and whatever we in Britain think about their opinions we have no more understanding than we do of Peruvians or Malaysians.
When it comes to Trump the fact that his name comes up in completely unrelated threads indicates that some are obsessed by him and only the obsessed would deny it.

I might have been ignorant of the way people in the USA thought about health care but after spending many hours discussing these issues with Americans I was no longer. I have no idea what happens in Peru and only slightly more in Malaysia!

What became clear is that health care in the USA is completely different to here. It is a business where the profit motive is king. It’s all they knew and as many of those I was talking with were ex military veterans they benefited from a significant amount of free healthcare for themselves and any direct family. They hated Obama without pause for thought about everything, and lacked any compassion for the disadvantaged people he was trying to help, in quite modest ways, with his Obamacare package. They hated the idea of a universal free at the point of use system paid from taxation even when it was pointed out it only cost around 50% of their system. We had robust, always respectful, discussions but little agreement.

This was truly “Obama Derangement Syndrome” and the first time I realised what a divisive place the USA was becoming. Some of the things that were seriously believed were impossible to comprehend. They all thought Trump was great too, which disturbed me. There was just one who thought as I did, but he was a businessman who had seen the world. He was dismayed at the direction of his country and had decided to establish his life, and businesses, away from it.

Trump comes up a lot not because I am obsessed by him but because of what he represents. I see the malaise in the west reflected in Trump.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I might have been ignorant of the way people in the USA thought about health care but after spending many hours discussing these issues with Americans I was no longer. I have no idea what happens in Peru and only slightly more in Malaysia!

What became clear is that health care in the USA is completely different to here. It is a business where the profit motive is king. It’s all they knew and as many of those I was talking with were ex military veterans they benefited from a significant amount of free healthcare for themselves and any direct family. They hated Obama without pause for thought about everything, and lacked any compassion for the disadvantaged people he was trying to help, in quite modest ways, with his Obamacare package. They hated the idea of a universal free at the point of use system paid from taxation even when it was pointed out it only cost around 50% of their system. We had robust, always respectful, discussions but little agreement.

This was truly “Obama Derangement Syndrome” and the first time I realised what a divisive place the USA was becoming. Some of the things that were seriously believed were impossible to comprehend. They all thought Trump was great too, which disturbed me. There was just one who thought as I did, but he was a businessman who had seen the world. He was dismayed at the direction of his country and had decided to establish his life, and businesses, away from it.

Trump comes up a lot not because I am obsessed by him but because of what he represents. I see the malaise in the west reflected in Trump.

The very mediocre Obama was lauded merely because he was of mixed race.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I might have been ignorant of the way people in the USA thought about health care but after spending many hours discussing these issues with Americans I was no longer. I have no idea what happens in Peru and only slightly more in Malaysia!

What became clear is that health care in the USA is completely different to here. It is a business where the profit motive is king. It’s all they knew and as many of those I was talking with were ex military veterans they benefited from a significant amount of free healthcare for themselves and any direct family. They hated Obama without pause for thought about everything, and lacked any compassion for the disadvantaged people he was trying to help, in quite modest ways, with his Obamacare package. They hated the idea of a universal free at the point of use system paid from taxation even when it was pointed out it only cost around 50% of their system. We had robust, always respectful, discussions but little agreement.

This was truly “Obama Derangement Syndrome” and the first time I realised what a divisive place the USA was becoming. Some of the things that were seriously believed were impossible to comprehend. They all thought Trump was great too, which disturbed me. There was just one who thought as I did, but he was a businessman who had seen the world. He was dismayed at the direction of his country and had decided to establish his life, and businesses, away from it.

Trump comes up a lot not because I am obsessed by him but because of what he represents. I see the malaise in the west reflected in Trump.

As stated; only the obsessed would deny it.
To think you'll have any influence on the opinions of the voters in another country is nothing but the epitome of solipsism.
We'll see how successful you've been after the election when if Trump wins we'll be in for another four years of wailing about how wrong millions of people were.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

As stated; only the obsessed would deny it.
To think you'll have any influence on the opinions of the voters in another country is nothing but the epitome of solipsism.
We'll see how successful you've been after the election when if Trump wins we'll be in for another four years of wailing about how wrong millions of people were.

I expect nothing at all. I offer support to those who can influence and point out the consequences I perceive should Trump win. It’s better to be prepared. Or at least I think so. Better than sitting back, eating popcorn and treating it as if it’s just a very long running episode of the Apprentice. The appalling glorification of bullying that started this wheel turning.

If Trump wins there won’t be any wailing. Just a cold hard look at how to cope and prepare for the coming battles. This isn’t a war that will end with Trump. It will end when the voters realise they need more than populist sentiment in a President and chose again on merit.

Everyone seems certain, presumably based on the polls which are actually very tight, that Trump is now a shoe in. I have never thought so and having read the following this evening was glad, and heartened, to see I am not alone:-

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The fat lady could be about to have the gig cancelled.

 


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Originally posted by georgenorman

The very mediocre Obama was lauded merely because he was of mixed race.

Oh please!

He was very popular with lots of people who didn’t even notice or think about his racial origins. I certainly didn’t.

That some did disgusted me then, and does today.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I expect nothing at all. I offer support to those who can influence and point out the consequences I perceive should Trump win. It’s better to be prepared. Or at least I think so. Better than sitting back, eating popcorn and treating it as if it’s just a very long running episode of the Apprentice. The appalling glorification of bullying that started this wheel turning.

If Trump wins there won’t be any wailing. Just a cold hard look at how to cope and prepare for the coming battles. This isn’t a war that will end with Trump. It will end when the voters realise they need more than populist sentiment in a President and chose again on merit.

Everyone seems certain, presumably based on the polls which are actually very tight, that Trump is now a shoe in. I have never thought so and having read the following this evening was glad, and heartened, to see I am not alone:-

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The fat lady could be about to have the gig cancelled.

I don't think many will vote for either Trump or Biden on merit but rather vote against one or the other. That the two of them are the best candidates either party can offer is a poor reflection on both.
Apart from any personal reservations about either candidate they're both simply too old for the job.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I don't think many will vote for either Trump or Biden on merit but rather vote against one or the other. That the two of them are the best candidates either party can offer is a poor reflection on both.
Apart from any personal reservations about either candidate they're both simply too old for the job.

I agree, apart from Trump’s base who would still vote for him even if they discovered he was actually Judus under that hair.

It’s why I anticipate that Biden will withdraw shortly before the convention and that the DNC will nominate someone else. Or that they will wait another month or two and allow his VP pick to stand. Biden can win, as that piece I referenced explained, but a younger, more dynamic alternative would encourage some undecideds and lose no one to the Democratic side.

When avoiding Trump is the priority I expect there will be great pressure exerted within and on the DNC to ensure it doesn’t happen.

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I don't think many will vote for either Trump or Biden on merit but rather vote against one or the other. That the two of them are the best candidates either party can offer is a poor reflection on both.
Apart from any personal reservations about either candidate they're both simply too old for the job.

100 percent.

Both conventions will be fascinating but especially the Democrat.

The power bases within it are at each other's throats. I wager that Biden will stay for a couple of reasons, one of the obvious being that they won't be able to convince Harris to step down....So unless they want Harris, Biden's their man.

Keeping Biden there is also a huge fall guy for the Democrats to cover up the huge corruption and other issues they have beyond him. I reckon if a new face comes in and loses the Republicans will dig far deeper and go root and branch perhaps.

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Unless I misunderstand the system I don’t think it requires Harris to agree. She could be replaced against her will, although it would be politically damaging to do so.

So it seems more likely the DNC will sanction a new Presidential candidate with Harris either being that candidate or remaining as the VP unless the new selection made it obvious they wanted another.

Could Harris succeed? She has lots of things going for her but has also been targeted by the Republicans, so carries some baggage. She has though deliberately kept a low profile and could put distance between herself some of the slurs thrown at Biden.

She’s younger, she’s female and attractive. She’s intelligent, capable and presents well. Some ought not to matter, but do.

It would be interesting to say the least but it’s too important for that to be the main consideration. Winning is the only thing that matters.

Most polls put Trump well ahead of Harris should she be the candidate, with Trump/Biden a much closer race. I don’t though think that matters at this stage. I cannot see too many of those now wanting to vote for Biden switching to Trump if Harris was the final choice. I can though see independents switching the other way.

 


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A previous post referred to “huge corruption” within the Democratic Party, as though it’s an established fact. Actually it’s baloney. I came across this written by a Professor of Psychology:-

“I’d like to identify how this post and many like it are part of a constant propaganda campaign aimed at the next election. The purpose of the post is to attach negative terms like “loser, racist, socialist, corrupt, etc” to the word Democrat (or liberal).

This is done through what’s called paired-associate learning - a classic learning and propaganda technique. When two things occur together as does “Democrat” and negative descriptors in the above question, one comes to associate or connect the two.

So the questioner doesn’t care if you answer the question. Just reading the question accomplishes the propagandist’s aim. When there are literally hundreds of questions like this one, it creates a relentless barrage of negative associations about Democrats. Just thought you might like to know..”

Says all you need to know about the tactics of the Republicans under Trump. Trump, and his family, are genuinely corrupt.

 


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You have to laugh, to use the metaphor this geezer owns zero mirrors.

 


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