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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 21 Jan 21 5.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Historically minorities have voted for Democrats. They understandable though as Democrats have courted them whereas contrary to your stance I believe that Republicans have had more to gain by nudging in the opposite direction. As demographics change, strategy does too. Racial minorities won't uniformly all vote in alignment as that process pans out. We're not going to have having 12 or 16 years of the same party in power in my view. The pendulum will move this way and that as it always has.

The noises he was putting out were often very 'go home'. That may well change when the party realise the numbers won't otherwise add up. I accept that he have success on the jobs front.

I don't see this as being a realistic outcome anytime soon. At least not for decades. I wouldn't like to guess beyond that as I do accept that the future can be very uncertain in a variety of ways. Granted immigration can change a country over time, but all in all I quite like the set up of the US rather than UK. States can in many ways take their own approach within reason and have their own character, so there's always somewhere for people to fit in regardless of their outlook.

Edited by BlueJay (21 Jan 2021 5.07pm)

I think the demographic shift is the dynamic that changes all the equations.

If the traditionally red states don't manage to organise non compliance with Biden then the US eventually becomes majority hispanic...which means socialism.....Essentially little different from central America and probably with the same future prospects.

One part of me says well, in that case Europeans should just return to their historical homelands.....but of course, by then they wouldn't be aren't allowed to run them anymore either.

I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't be totally surprised that my descendants will be speaking Russian or some Eastern European language in a hundred years from now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jan 2021 5.23pm)

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 21 Jan 21 5.40pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh so I and others are liars now.

Would you like me to link you to his Twitter page where he tries to damage me and others financially? Or am I lying about that as well.

Wisbech is no more 'ganged' up on as anyone else with strong views is 'ganged' up on. We just have 'Q' believers 'ganged' up on....were you complaining about that?

Personally I hardly reply to Wisbech anymore and many times he's replying to posts directed at other people.

Could you contact Twitter and ask them to take this stuff down, or is that easier said than done? Social networks are more trouble than they're worth, even without this kind of thing!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 21 Jan 21 5.47pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think the demographic shift is the dynamic that changes all the equations.

I agree with that statement, though tend to leave the possibility that change will be gradual enough that we won't see States going their own way. I'm not sure that it's something the country would allow anyway, especially if it was just one or two states wishing to do so, so I guess your premise is that it would be several states acting in unison at some point. Time will tell!


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I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't be totally surprised that my descendants will be speaking Russian or some Eastern European language in a hundred years from now.

That raises a good more general point about language really. In an ultra connected world, countries with their own language have an automatic advantage in keeping other influences out.


 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Could you contact Twitter and ask them to take this stuff down, or is that easier said than done? Social networks are more trouble than they're worth, even without this kind of thing!

I contacted them and they removed my photo, which is something I suppose.

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

Could you contact Twitter and ask them to take this stuff down, or is that easier said than done? Social networks are more trouble than they're worth, even without this kind of thing!

He could pretend to be Trump, job done!

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have no clue do you.

If you want to champion a genuine lefty nutcase then what does that say about you?
For the last time. Nick was not hounded out. He got himself banned by antagonizing the moderators. Out of spite, he then attempted to damage the site by whining to the sponsors. He tried a similar thing with Comrades after being banned from what is the easiest going Palace site available, which just happens to be run by a communist.

That is the guy you are praising.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jan 2021 3.39pm)

Who is this communist? And is he a communist as properly defined, or a liberal socialist etc.?

And are you suggesting that this news/politics section of this site is, on balance, "leftist". Clearly, it's left of you - everything and everybody is.

And I am aware that left and right are tricky terms to properly define (leave it Stirling!). However...

I see on here a small handful of those with left leaning ideas who tend to post reasonably and with thought (although perhaps one needs to pick his battles and not take every bait); and a mass of right wingers who outnumber and out post them by some margin but are divided by a more or less equal number who counter balance the lefty views with equally considered and erudite righty thoughts; and then, sadly, a significant cohort of shouty, aggressive, bullying types who generally spout views regurgitated from the Tory press, or "misc" far right sources or, more worryingly, from their own original thoughts.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 21 Jan 21 6.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I agree with that statement, though tend to leave the possibility that change will be gradual enough that we won't see States going their own way. I'm not sure that it's something the country would allow anyway, especially if it was just one or two states wishing to do so, so I guess your premise is that it would be several states acting in unison at some point. Time will tell!

That raises a good more general point about language really. In an ultra connected world, countries with their own language have an automatic advantage in keeping other influences out.


It's a question of how much can people successfully push back against globalism in terms of its control over their lives and environment.

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 21 Jan 21 6.44pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What about him?

Why did he leave?

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

I have been to America many times on business and pleasure one personal observation I would make about the "average" American is how polite they are. This may not come across when there are demos etc or you are watching trailer trash.

It occurs to me that many of them would be offended by Trumps antics even if they agreed with his policies which might partially explain why he lost.

Hit the nail on the head there Badger!

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh so I and others are liars now.

Would you like me to link you to his Twitter page where he tries to damage me and others financially? Or am I lying about that as well.

Wisbech is no more 'ganged' up on as anyone else with strong views is 'ganged' up on. We just have 'Q' believers 'ganged' up on....were you complaining about that?

Personally I hardly reply to Wisbech anymore and many times he's replying to posts directed at other people.


Didn"t actually call anyone a liar, just said i couldn"t possibly comment on something i know nothing about, link away-on here obvs-i dont and never would do twitter, suprised you do-unless it was to read the dons tweets.

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

TBF Wissie gives as good as he gets but his pompous know-all attitude gets people’s backs up. Everyone is entitled to their opinion be it on politics football etc but for him to just call opposite opinions bs or those expressing the views stupid on a regular basis leaves him open to criticism imo

Edited by Spiderman (21 Jan 2021 4.45pm)


I just see when people are piling in on someone, it was nick and noticed wisbech gets same treatment, i didn"t realise he says bs-thought him more a willo character, but replies sometimes come back the same as the questioner put them.

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud


I just see when people are piling in on someone, it was nick and noticed wisbech gets same treatment, i didn"t realise he says bs-thought him more a willo character, but replies sometimes come back the same as the questioner put them.

Indeed they do but bs has become an expression more common in his replies and I must say often, not always, when replying to perfectly civil posts.

 

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