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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Jul 21 11.13am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Theyíll run into some ethical issues over He Who Must be Obeyed.

That was my first thought as well. One of the crucial story narratives throughout all the Rumpole novels are the marriage dynamics between him and his wife. Perhaps the biggest single vehicle for the comedy.

You simply cannot replicate that by switching genders for an entire range of reasons although it would not surprise me in the slightest to see this made with a Lesbian couple.

It is not Rumpole though. Merely hijacking a 'brand', and I don't mean Jo who does perhaps share at least a fleeting resemblence with the original character.

Edited by Matov (25 Jul 2021 11.14am)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jul 21 11.23am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I saw this at the cinema "The Aeronauts" it was okay. Later I found out it is based on 2 real life Victorian men who courageously made balloon flights and made massive contributions to our understanding of the weather system.

In the movie one of the real life men is completely erased and replaced by Felicity Jones' fictitious female character. Her role is that of the heroic female who saves her partner.

Next up Rosa Parks will be replace by a character called Ross Parks, I think not.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 25 Jul 21 11.32am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I saw this at the cinema "The Aeronauts" it was okay. Later I found out it is based on 2 real life Victorian men who courageously made balloon flights and made massive contributions to our understanding of the weather system.

In the movie one of the real life men is completely erased and replaced by Felicity Jones' fictitious female character. Her role is that of the heroic female who saves her partner.

Next up Rosa Parks will be replace by a character called Ross Parks, I think not.

I sort of get why screenwriters might look to alter the gender dynamics in that kind of story, especially if they are not presenting it as an accurate historical representation.

I can even see why you might take a character such as 'James Bond' and change it up a little i.e say a black character playing the role. Even a 'Jane' Bond could work.

But something like Rumpole, it's ludicrous to change him into her. Loses a huge amount from what made the stories what they were. Rumpole simply does not work as a woman.


 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Jul 21 11.33am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

That was my first thought as well. One of the crucial story narratives throughout all the Rumpole novels are the marriage dynamics between him and his wife. Perhaps the biggest single vehicle for the comedy.

You simply cannot replicate that by switching genders for an entire range of reasons although it would not surprise me in the slightest to see this made with a Lesbian couple.

It is not Rumpole though. Merely hijacking a 'brand', and I don't mean Jo who does perhaps share at least a fleeting resemblence with the original character.

Edited by Matov (25 Jul 2021 11.14am)

They would have to make Judge Bullingham a woman too.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jul 21 11.38am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

I sort of get why screenwriters might look to alter the gender dynamics in that kind of story, especially if they are not presenting it as an accurate historical representation.

I can even see why you might take a character such as 'James Bond' and change it up a little i.e say a black character playing the role. Even a 'Jane' Bond could work.

But something like Rumpole, it's ludicrous to change him into her. Loses a huge amount from what made the stories what they were. Rumpole simply does not work as a woman.


I think even if they kept it male they would have a problem if they set it today. Rumpole and the rest of the cast were characters of their time "Gammons" if you like.

Doing it today with a female lead who spends her time battling the oppressive forces of the male institutions, well I think most career women would call that old hat or just grow a pair.

Besides Rumpole was never interested in being a career lawyer.

I should add in fairness that the DM article seems to be a puff piece there is no mention that any TV company has signed up to it.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Jul 2021 11.39am)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 25 Jul 21 11.58am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I enjoy Rumpole, its run on 'Talking Pictures' ends soon.

There are more female lawyers than male now and there is nothing new about a drama series (Justice QC - Margaret Lockwood) and police series like 'Juliet Bravo.

You are confusing being leftie with your very obvious sexism.

In fact the Daily Mail probably does think Cressilda Dick for example, is a left-wing threat to gammonry and the right of tories to decide what is, or is not, art.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Jul 21 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I enjoy Rumpole, its run on 'Talking Pictures' ends soon.

There are more female lawyers than male now and there is nothing new about a drama series (Justice QC - Margaret Lockwood) and police series like 'Juliet Bravo.

You are confusing being leftie with your very obvious sexism.

In fact the Daily Mail probably does think Cressilda Dick for example, is a left-wing threat to gammonry and the right of tories to decide what is, or is not, art.

Youíre confusing left-wing with politics.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jul 21 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I enjoy Rumpole, its run on 'Talking Pictures' ends soon.

There are more female lawyers than male now and there is nothing new about a drama series (Justice QC - Margaret Lockwood) and police series like 'Juliet Bravo.

You are confusing being leftie with your very obvious sexism.

In fact the Daily Mail probably does think Cressilda Dick for example, is a left-wing threat to gammonry and the right of tories to decide what is, or is not, art.

And your missing the point that this is not about female lawyers on TV but taking a much loved male character and giving him a sex change. As you say plenty of female lawyer role models so why not write a new show unencumbered by male baggage.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 25 Jul 21 4.41pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend


Terminator movies.

The scientists, senior corporate managers and heroes are either female, ethnic or both.

The homeless tramp that Kyle Reese robbed the trousers from ? a blonde man.

 


inŠr n-aonar i Anerley, uimhir a haon londain theas

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Jul 21 12.47pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

So busy frothing at Thatcher they couldn't look after kids. Disgraceful, I hope loads go to prison, but they won't.

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Jul 21 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

So busy frothing at Thatcher they couldn't look after kids. Disgraceful, I hope loads go to prison, but they won't.

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Just seen one of the victims on the news. Another heartbreaking story of poor children being exploited. He credited the Rotherham girls for coming forward which made him decide to bring this out so at least some good has come from that.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 29 Jul 21 12.41pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

The Lambeth issue is just disgraceful.
It seems that things have even been going on fairly recently.
Anyone there still involved should be shown the door without favour immediately.
Others who have left should be brought to task now.
It is simply vile.

 

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