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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Mar 21 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

What's your thoughts on the policing bill out of interest? Seems to be a pretty worrying clampdown on free speech in parts.

I have to tell you that honestly I don't know much about it....My six year old has taken over the main telly and it's wall to wall 'Ice Age' movies 1-5. As I mainly watch Internet stuff in another room he hasn't had much competition.

From what I've heard though on this bill I'm definitely not a fan. I believe in the right of assembly, and I believe in the right to protest and to say what you think independent of whether I like it or not.

Politicians have been restricting liberties since Blair and they haven't stopped. I want things back to before he turned up.

Still, kids smashing up stuff and attacking coppers needs the same reaction from old.....When that happens get the truncheon out and retake the streets.


Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2021 4.58pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 22 Mar 21 4.58pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

There are two things that could be done immediately as it is obvious, even the police admit, this is going to get much worse.

1. The police should be returned to their pre-covid duties.

2. The proposed bill should be ditched.

Good to know you are keen to condemn mindless violence by utter morons.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 22 Mar 21 5.03pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

What's your thoughts on the policing bill out of interest? Seems to be a pretty worrying clampdown on free speech in parts.

I doubt its to stop protest; more to stop violent protest like last night and the blm ones in the summer. It cannot be cherry picked apart. Lots of these idiots who cause damage and attack police will have some legal way out which this new bill will hopefully stop. The noise issue may be to stop pyrotechnics being used which seems to be happening more. Anyhow what part of our freedoms are or have been attacked. Covid has been exceptional but what can't you do now that you could say ten years ago.
I mean in general everyday life aside of covid.
Speech isn't solely a uk issue so I will park that one.

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 22 Mar 21 9.43pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Had a couple of mates out in Bristol yesterday. Both mega lefties, but alright all the same.

They've suddenly realised why the rest of my friends have apparently moved the the right.

The went home before the violence started and are absolutely outraged at them scenes.

It seems they have accepted that draconian sanctions are now a reality, just as they are in football.

Wait patiently and the loonatics will destroy themselves.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 23 Mar 21 8.46am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Had a couple of mates out in Bristol yesterday. Both mega lefties, but alright all the same.

They've suddenly realised why the rest of my friends have apparently moved the the right.

The went home before the violence started and are absolutely outraged at them scenes.

It seems they have accepted that draconian sanctions are now a reality, just as they are in football.

Wait patiently and the loonatics will destroy themselves.

There is no such thing as a peaceful protest any more, because every protest is hijacked by a hardcore element hell bent on causing as much trouble as possible. In the main they have zero interest in the protest or its message, just an opportunity to be anti-establishment.

 

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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 23 Mar 21 9.53am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

There is no such thing as a peaceful protest any more, because every protest is hijacked by a hardcore element hell bent on causing as much trouble as possible. In the main they have zero interest in the protest or its message, just an opportunity to be anti-establishment.

I'm inclined to agree. No doubt many are familiar with my political stance on here, but I think the protests (whislt framed incorrectly, and hijacked by the usual scum) were very much on the money.

We have accepted draconian, authoritarian and totalitarian rule without so much as raising an eyebrow here. There is zero political opposition to it - Labour basically want "MORE GULAG" and would only vote against when it's (1) politically opportune (2) not gulag-y enough for them. There is (the *must* be, surely?) a sizeable population that have zero political representation of their views. What outlet do they have?

Be under no illusion: we're not getting our freedoms back without a struggle.

I am utterly sickened by what happened in Bristol. But I'm more sickened by the new powers and controls that have been imposed on us by a Government that has zero regard for the health of society.

Was I expecting the Tories to be a libertarian beacon of the free world during this crisis? No.

Was I expecting it to follow the Chinese playbook it virtuously signals that it abhors so much? No - even I didn't think they could stoop that low. Yet, here we are.

Bloody hell. I think I need a shower - I'm starting to sound left-wing!

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 23 Mar 21 10.06am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Bloody hell. I think I need a shower - I'm starting to sound left-wing!

Supporting freedom of protest is very Right-wing. Thats the point of it. Individualism as being more important than the State.

We have a modern political class, with very few exceptions and rarely in positions of real power and influence, who all espouse one flavour or the other of even more state influence/control/power over us as individuals.

Always oppose that. I am very wary of what is happening on all kinds of levels in terms of these policing bills.


 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Mar 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

When I look at Labour I don't see a party with huge social policy differences on its wings but instead I see a party split between those who wish to gain power by being honest and those who want to gain power by lying.

If you look at modern Labour's only successful period it was Blair/Mandelsen and Campbell. Their social policies, were far left....for example, they introduced 'hate speech' laws, they opened the country up to massive mass immigration. While they presented themselves as moderates they enacted far left policies.

However, what they did differently to the honest in Labour was cosy up to big business. They courted the media. Even their big claim to be modern moderates, which was the removing of clause four....was in reality a wink wink to big business that 'you can make money with us'.
Hence you had the absurd reality of Murdoch's Sun supporting Blair against the Tories.

So the Blair wing betrayed the socialist tradition fiscally to implement the socialist tradition socially.

Of course this was never comfortable for the grass roots and the longer it went on the more discontent they became....like having your sugar doughnut flavoured with lime.

So when the heart of the Labour movement regained control again under Corbyn it came at a return to socialism in its honest form....which doesn't cosy up to capitalism.

So in return most of the corporations and big business turned on Corybn and ensured him no real support even though many of the people in these companies and institutions were leftist.

Now you have Keir Starmer and you can see what he wants to do....He wants to return to the perception that he's similar to a Blair's moderate....and play that trick of big business reassurance and hence media acceptability while actually having pretty much all the same policies.

His problem is that Labour's grass roots don't want to return to 'the face of Blair'....not enough of them and not yet anyway.


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 23 Mar 21 10.54am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey


I am utterly sickened by what happened in Bristol. But I'm more sickened by the new powers and controls that have been imposed on us by a Government that has zero regard for the health of society.

Was I expecting the Tories to be a libertarian beacon of the free world during this crisis? No.

Was I expecting it to follow the Chinese playbook it virtuously signals that it abhors so much? No - even I didn't think they could stoop that low. Yet, here we are.

Bloody hell. I think I need a shower - I'm starting to sound left-wing!

What happened in Bristol was rather convenient is terms of pushing through these changes..

The message being repeatedly put out now is that it's important to have these powers because sometimes or even often peaceful protests turn out to be anything but. It wasn't far off a Minority Report argument. You deal with criminality when it occurs or find and punish repeat offenders. Preemptive limits and ultra subjective legislation that basically criminalises anyone taking part in a protest is worrying to say the least.


 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Mar 21 11.10am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

What happened in Bristol was rather convenient is terms of pushing through these changes..

They will be calling you Alex Jones next.

But certainly the stars aligned didn't they and I noted it too.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

They will be calling you Alex Jones next.

But certainly the stars aligned didn't they and I noted it too.

I was in two minds about saying it haha. A bit of infiltration and persuasion here and there.. I'm sure it's possible to ensure that the right nutters show up on the day at such a pivotal moment. No active involvement beyond getting the right ingredients in the pot would be needed, and perversely I doubt it's even illegal for them to do so under existing dodgy laws relating to keeping an eye on disruptive elements.


 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Mar 21 12.20pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I was in two minds about saying it haha. A bit of infiltration and persuasion here and there.. I'm sure it's possible to ensure that the right nutters show up on the day at such a pivotal moment. No active involvement beyond getting the right ingredients in the pot would be needed, and perversely I doubt it's even illegal for them to do so under existing dodgy laws relating to keeping an eye on disruptive elements.

Being observers on the outside we can never be sure but I think it's perfectly valid to be suspicious on the basic, 'who benefits' side of the equation.

That doesn't mean we will be correct as events do happen independently of course but basic infiltration of all groups by different interests regardless of politics has been a reality for centuries.

Who knows what the underlying truths are but those stars sure aligned regardless.

But if basically the outcoming result ends in the further removal of basic freedoms but with larger public support then some level of underhand tactics or not it's another sad day.

 


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