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Originally posted by jeeagles

They are a silent majority because they don't want to be associated with loudmouth , racist, extreme right wing scumbags.

I'm not really so sure why you are so threatened by a man that wants to wear a dress?

Extremes on one side of an argument spur on extremes on the other. It's a dynamic that spurs both of them on. Clearly someone waving their wang and saying 'I'm a lady' is out of order, as is the 'eagerness' of categorising people as trans, but at the same time so is the tarring of all trans people as some kind of degenerate force. Most people in life have their struggles and just want to strike a balance in life.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As for calling PA a 'terrorist organisation'? That's another lie. People can obviously make informed criticisms but that one is a lie as they don't support violence of any kind.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 12.33am)

There I would agree with you, but at the same time it is entirely accurate to say that there are clearly very few degrees of separation between the individual who fronts a group you endorse and extremist. The leader of the party you endorse has been open and vocal in celebrating the deaths of both Africans and Gay people to HIV. He promotes hatred of Jews and celebrates Neo Nazi-ism. This isn't someone who operates by degrees, he is an extreme individual and one you pose notably little resistance to, to the point that you're a proponent of his party. An unemotive 'informed criticisms' for PA and stark contrast to the endless angry tomes aimed at sweeping demographics you forever take issue with (funnily enough the same ones this neo nazi does - you're alike in meaningful ways).

It's an outlook that only 'works' in environments that are demographically and politically incredibly finite. That and situations where people have no option but to listen. Both are ultimately examples of failed socialisation as much as personal politics. Anyone with integrity or character heads to the exits when this stuff is front and centre and who can blame them. Unfortunately then there is little to stop the resulting vacuum filling with ever more ramped up versions of the same.

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Originally posted by BlueJay

There I would agree with you, but at the same time it is entirely accurate to say that there are clearly very few degrees of separation between the individual who fronts a group you endorse and extremist. The leader of the party you endorse has been open and vocal in celebrating the deaths of both Africans and Gay people to HIV. He promotes hatred of Jews and celebrates Neo Nazi-ism. This isn't someone who operates by degrees, he is an extreme individual and one you pose notably little resistance to, to the point that you're a proponent of his party. An unemotive 'informed criticisms' for PA and stark contrast to the endless angry tomes aimed at sweeping demographics you forever take issue with (funnily enough the same ones this neo nazi does - you're alike in meaningful ways).

It's an outlook that only 'works' in environments that are demographically and politically incredibly finite. That and situations where people have no option but to listen. Both are ultimately examples of failed socialisation as much as personal politics. Anyone with integrity or character heads to the exits when this stuff is front and centre and who can blame them. Unfortunately then there is little to stop the resulting vacuum filling with ever more ramped up versions of the same.

Edited by BlueJay (05 Sep 2021 5.51am)

It's valid to make criticisms of anyone and Mark Collet is no different. What I would say is that you characterise his views as if you know them. Yet I suspect you read those from some write up opposed to him rather than actually heard them. If accurate I certainly don't support what you wrote.

How accurate is your description? Does Collet get an opportunity to respond to these descriptions? No he doesn't. Would you like an opportunity to put these to Mark Collet himself? I doubt it....but you're happy to write it.

Also, PA were described as a terrorist organisation. It's not good enough to play shifting sands and talk about 'a few degrees', because its current leader has views you disagree with. No, PA are very clear....they don't support violence in pursuit of political aims.

Also, let it also be clear, what you wrote are not the positions of PA. False impressions should not be allowed to stand. The manifesto is what they stand on.

I've also said several times, I don't support PA because of Mark Collet, I support it and several others because of their stated aims., which aren't what you wrote Just like millions voted Labour without that being a vote for Corbyn

Also, If you want to talk about PA make a PA thread.
This thread is meant to focus on the left yet here we are with supposed centralists focusing on the dissentient right.

I wonder just why that is?

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 11.02am)

 


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jeeagles Flag 05 Sep 21 11.16am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's valid to make criticisms of anyone and Mark Collet is no different. What I would say is that you characterise his views as if you know them. Yet I suspect you read those from some write up opposed to him rather than actually heard them. If accurate I certainly don't support what you wrote.

How accurate is your description? Does Collet get an opportunity to respond to these descriptions? No he doesn't. Would you like an opportunity to put these to Mark Collet himself? I doubt it....but you're happy to write it.

Also, PA were described as a terrorist organisation. It's not good enough to play shifting sands and talk about 'a few degrees', because its current leader has views you disagree with. No, PA are very clear....they don't support violence in pursuit of political aims.

Also, let it also be clear, what you wrote are not the positions of PA. False impressions should not be allowed to stand. The manifesto is what they stand on.

I've also said several times, I don't support PA because of Mark Collet, I support it and several others because of their stated aims., which aren't what you wrote Just like millions voted Labour without that being a vote for Corbyn

Also, If you want to talk about PA make a PA thread.
This thread is meant to focus on the left yet here we are with supposed centralists focusing on the dissentient right.

I wonder just why that is?

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 11.02am)

The taliban tried pulling the same PR stunt.

My objection with the far left, is that they enable the far right. When the far left lose an argument, they label people racist (why this thread started). Which is partly what the silent majority don't bother engaging them.

The far right are much much worse. They are genuinely racists. When they've been exposed, they simply label everyone as a lefty. They claim to be "silent majority" but aren't. They use cracks in use looney left views as a foot in the door to recruit. They constantly make disingenuous claims that they don't want harm to come to people, but the reason for their existence is to strip people of their rights based on the race, believes, or sexuality. This is why the silent majority don't bother engaging with them either.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

The taliban tried pulling the same PR stunt.

My objection with the far left, is that they enable the far right. When the far left lose an argument, they label people racist (why this thread started). Which is partly what the silent majority don't bother engaging them.

The far right are much much worse. They are genuinely racists. When they've been exposed, they simply label everyone as a lefty. They claim to be "silent majority" but aren't. They use cracks in use looney left views as a foot in the door to recruit. They constantly make disingenuous claims that they don't want harm to come to people, but the reason for their existence is to strip people of their rights based on the race, believes, or sexuality. This is why the silent majority don't bother engaging with them either.

Far Left? Our media, that are supposedly neutral, pushing loony ideas that the Far Left would be proud of.
If such idiocy was restricted to the extremes of politics, then most could see it for what it is.

A few months back the media were extolling the virtues of Black Lives Matter, over here for no reason that made any sense at all, and in America to remove a President.

Don't paint this as two extremes at war because lefty liberal nuttery is now the stuff of every day. Until people push back against it, it will pervade everything.

 

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jeeagles Flag 05 Sep 21 12.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Far Left? Our media, that are supposedly neutral, pushing loony ideas that the Far Left would be proud of.
If such idiocy was restricted to the extremes of politics, then most could see it for what it is.

A few months back the media were extolling the virtues of Black Lives Matter, over here for no reason that made any sense at all, and in America to remove a President.

Don't paint this as two extremes at war because lefty liberal nuttery is now the stuff of every day. Until people push back against it, it will pervade everything.

Thanks for proving my point.

Last time I checked we had a brexit supporting Conservative government that rompt home to a general election landslide. The center right are getting everything they want at the moment.

The left have been slaughtered by the voters gaining their worst GE result since 1933.

The idea that they are making any gains is a myth. The Democrats are not a left wing party. The US election was the equivalent to UKIP vs Conservatives. Left wing represtation in America is barely existent. All BLM managed to achieve is to get Left wing voters to turn up to vote for a centre right candidate, in a choice between two awful options.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

The taliban tried pulling the same PR stunt.

My objection with the far left, is that they enable the far right. When the far left lose an argument, they label people racist (why this thread started). Which is partly what the silent majority don't bother engaging them.

The far right are much much worse. They are genuinely racists. When they've been exposed, they simply label everyone as a lefty. They claim to be "silent majority" but aren't. They use cracks in use looney left views as a foot in the door to recruit. They constantly make disingenuous claims that they don't want harm to come to people, but the reason for their existence is to strip people of their rights based on the race, believes, or sexuality. This is why the silent majority don't bother engaging with them either.

The Taliban now is it?

You damaged yourself as a reliable commentator on this topic when you lied calling PA a terrorist organisation. And I'll also add were willing to make absolutist claims about the positions of people you don't know.

You were asked for evidence for those claims and presented none.

Now I will agree, that I am not pro any of the ideologies you mentioned, however that isn't what you wrote was it. You were willing to press the nuclear button and exaggerate and I suggest that was far more motivated by emotion.

I will also mention that my views on these various ideologies are also shared by social conservative gays like Douglas Murray on the alphabet groups and the Dalai Lama on immigration into Europe. You are either ignorant or wish to catorgise those you differ from as terrorists.

That stands in line with how the far left wish to paint them, and once again, I'll bring up that you use all their buzzwords while claiming distance from them....over what? Some childish fear of racism claims? As if whatever you think or the truth of whatever a position is makes even the slightest bit of difference.

We can talk about 'racism' if you wish and whose's perspective falls more in line with statistical evidence for their positions. But that isn't really a topic the thread was designed for.

If you want to talk about the dissident right and left and how you think your positions are morally superior to theirs I'll gladly take you on. Personally, while I differ significantly with the far left I can both respect their honesty and in some regards agree with their positions (corporations) and conclusions. But it's not a worldview that I ultimately think works.....and the simplistic claim that they are similar is only really made but those who seek to demonise rather than investigate.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 12.39pm)

 


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Originally posted by jeeagles

Thanks for proving my point.

Last time I checked we had a brexit supporting Conservative government that rompt home to a general election landslide. The center right are getting everything they want at the moment.

The left have been slaughtered by the voters gaining their worst GE result since 1933.

The idea that they are making any gains is a myth. The Democrats are not a left wing party. The US election was the equivalent to UKIP vs Conservatives. Left wing represtation in America is barely existent. All BLM managed to achieve is to get Left wing voters to turn up to vote for a centre right candidate, in a choice between two awful options.

All the social positions of the conservative party are the social positions of the Labour party ten years ago.

Do you understand what the word, 'conserve' means? If you think that this current version of the Tories is conservative just because of Brexit (an event both Johnson and Gove didn't think would happen) then I wonder just how much notice you are taking.

All the institutions are run by those who support those positions.

You are either dishonest or seriously deluding yourself.

 


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the Left vs Right argument boils down to.......

who will be paying to raise these kids ?

the biological daddy, or the taxpayer, or other, or none of the above.

France is so far up its Lefty ar$e that even paternity DNA tests are illegal. 'cos it may cause some upset to peaceful family life'

Utter madness.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's valid to make criticisms of anyone and Mark Collet is no different. What I would say is that you characterise his views as if you know them. Yet I suspect you read those from some write up opposed to him rather than actually heard them. If accurate I certainly don't support what you wrote.

How accurate is your description? Does Collet get an opportunity to respond to these descriptions? No he doesn't. Would you like an opportunity to put these to Mark Collet himself? I doubt it....but you're happy to write it.

Also, PA were described as a terrorist organisation. It's not good enough to play shifting sands and talk about 'a few degrees', because its current leader has views you disagree with. No, PA are very clear....they don't support violence in pursuit of political aims.

Also, let it also be clear, what you wrote are not the positions of PA. False impressions should not be allowed to stand. The manifesto is what they stand on.

I've also said several times, I don't support PA because of Mark Collet, I support it and several others because of their stated aims., which aren't what you wrote Just like millions voted Labour without that being a vote for Corbyn

Also, If you want to talk about PA make a PA thread.
This thread is meant to focus on the left yet here we are with supposed centralists focusing on the dissentient right.

I wonder just why that is?

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 11.02am)

This, apparently, is the Patriotic Alternative's "manifesto" for anyone wanting to know about it:-

[Link]

I had never heard of them, but the ideas promoted are weirdly familiar. Now I think I know where some of those appearing in these threads originate.

This is scraping the bottom of the populist barrel. I can easily imagine it appealing to every racist among us, as well as those who previously supported the BNP (and UKIP). Deliberately written to appear reasonable, it is a very thin cloak for some pretty distasteful concepts.

As an example, consider this:-"Judges and magistrates who are found to have used the legal system in order to push a political agenda will be relieved of their duties."

That, for me, has a very, very nasty aroma.

Thank goodness, it has no chance of ever becoming mainstream. The real British people are not going to buy into this.

 

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While I don't want to appear to be cheer leading for PA as I'm not a member I certainly urge the genuine conservatives among us to read that manifesto and remember what actual social conservatism is.....as for the left, don't bother it isn't for you.

If someone like WE finds that sinister then you know that it's on the right track.

As for the suggestion that a manifesto isn't honest....coming from a guy who lionised and called Biden an honest politician I'll let others weigh how seriously they should regard judgements from that particular quarter.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2021 6.15pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This, apparently, is the Patriotic Alternative's "manifesto" for anyone wanting to know about it:-

[Link]

I had never heard of them, but the ideas promoted are weirdly familiar. Now I think I know where some of those appearing in these threads originate.

This is scraping the bottom of the populist barrel. I can easily imagine it appealing to every racist among us, as well as those who previously supported the BNP (and UKIP). Deliberately written to appear reasonable, it is a very thin cloak for some pretty distasteful concepts.

As an example, consider this:-"Judges and magistrates who are found to have used the legal system in order to push a political agenda will be relieved of their duties."

That, for me, has a very, very nasty aroma.

Thank goodness, it has no chance of ever becoming mainstream. The real British people are not going to buy into this.

you do come out with some bollox!

 

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