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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Feb 21 12.26pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Howe should be assessed on his record as a manager rather than how he comes across on telly.

He did wonders for Bournemouth when they were skint at the foot of League One, and ended up getting them up into the Championship on a shoestring. Thereafter, however, I don't think his results were actually that impressive when you look at his spending.

In getting promoted to the premier league in 2014-15 Howe (or Bournemouth) spent so much money they didn't actually have that they got fined £4.75m for breaching Financial Fair Play rules. Bournemouth were happy to pay it as they originally expected to be fined £7.6m.

In their five premier league seasons Bournemouth / Howe spent (and keep in mind this figure is after player sales) £133 million. Howe was in charge for all of this spending, they were all his signings.

Bournemouth got relegated, with Howe looking devoid of ideas as to how to stop it.

Our net spend over the same period is £56 million, of which Hodgson has had the benefit of about £25m spent whilst £50m came in for AWB.

Not saying Howe couldn't do a good job for us, and perhaps he's learned a few hard lessons that he could put to good use at Palace, but frankly he'd have had to say something pretty fecking amazing on telly last night to make him a better bet than Hodgson based on a pounds to points ratio.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Feb 21 12.27pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Runningman

Fat Frank had the pick of some of the finest young talents in the world. Developed by an established first class academy (or bought in from other academies). He would not have this luxury at Palace. We are only now in a position to get decent youngsters into our academy but they will be 5 years or more in the making....


I don’t see either Howe , or Lampard , as an instant answer to who should get the job ,post Hodgson. What I do think is it will be very hard to move this club forward if it is not drastically reinvented. We can name a few possible safe hands , none of which will prevent us being competitive only in the lower end of the league. And that will always involve a percentage of plain and simple safety first football
As far as Lampard is concerned, I feel he could reinvent us but in the Championship, where he has already shown how with his Derby side ,built on one or two young players brought in . An unfinished project but a good indication of his ability. I don’t believe we can be reinvented easily whilst trying to survive the week in week out pressures of the realities of Premiership football. Our academy is not the whole answer, but we have the means to bring in quality youngsters. And in the Championship could be developed into certainly a classier outfit, with more potential for real progress. Thinking there is an instant answer to turning CP into a silk purse is nice, but going to be very hard to achieve,
By the way our academy is doing very well, maybe not as far adrift as you say.


 

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deleted9 Flag 01 Feb 21 12.42pm

Agreed with Howe been better in thought than reality.

I have been impressed by Lampard over the last 2.5 years in terms of his professional approach, willingness to blood youth and play a ‘modern’, attractive style of football. He’s a chairman’s dream, especially Parish, who will be keen to see investment in the Academy bearing fruit.

Furthermore, Jody Morris is held in such high regard with his coaching and work in Chelsea’s Academy which is arguably the best in the country. Having a link and potentially being able to attract youth from their setup would be appealing also.

Another plus for me is that Lampard may be more relatable to players so are more likely to ‘look up to him’ having witnessed his playing career. Having that player-manager bond is key.

I wouldn’t be opposed to Roy going ‘upstairs’ in a role that would see him support Frank initially. They have a mutual respect for one another and this could aid the transition.

My final point is Gary Cahill who, let’s face it, won’t be playing much longer. If we could bring him into the coaching set up alongside Frank and Jody, all of whom have a link from their Chelsea days, he could be a real asset. Imagine him bellowing from the sidelines!

In conclusion, Eddie Howe is not my preferred option.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Feb 21 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I would not want to be Palace's next manager I would want to be the one after that.

Whoever takes over will have a rebuilding job and the chances are that the next guy will benefit. This often happens in football e.g. Leicester.

 


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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Feb 21 1.00pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Howe should be assessed on his record as a manager rather than how he comes across on telly.

He did wonders for Bournemouth when they were skint at the foot of League One, and ended up getting them up into the Championship on a shoestring. Thereafter, however, I don't think his results were actually that impressive when you look at his spending.

In getting promoted to the premier league in 2014-15 Howe (or Bournemouth) spent so much money they didn't actually have that they got fined £4.75m for breaching Financial Fair Play rules. Bournemouth were happy to pay it as they originally expected to be fined £7.6m.

In their five premier league seasons Bournemouth / Howe spent (and keep in mind this figure is after player sales) £133 million. Howe was in charge for all of this spending, they were all his signings.

Bournemouth got relegated, with Howe looking devoid of ideas as to how to stop it.

Our net spend over the same period is £56 million, of which Hodgson has had the benefit of about £25m spent whilst £50m came in for AWB.

Not saying Howe couldn't do a good job for us, and perhaps he's learned a few hard lessons that he could put to good use at Palace, but frankly he'd have had to say something pretty fecking amazing on telly last night to make him a better bet than Hodgson based on a pounds to points ratio.


When you consider what budget Dyche has had at his disposal, Howes record is not that great. Then when it started to go belly up at Bournemouth he jumped ship. We are better off well out!

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Feb 21 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews


When you consider what budget Dyche has had at his disposal, Howes record is not that great. Then when it started to go belly up at Bournemouth he jumped ship. We are better off well out!

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Feb 21 1.20pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


I don’t see either Howe , or Lampard , as an instant answer to who should get the job ,post Hodgson. What I do think is it will be very hard to move this club forward if it is not drastically reinvented. We can name a few possible safe hands , none of which will prevent us being competitive only in the lower end of the league. And that will always involve a percentage of plain and simple safety first football
As far as Lampard is concerned, I feel he could reinvent us but in the Championship, where he has already shown how with his Derby side ,built on one or two young players brought in . An unfinished project but a good indication of his ability. I don’t believe we can be reinvented easily whilst trying to survive the week in week out pressures of the realities of Premiership football. Our academy is not the whole answer, but we have the means to bring in quality youngsters. And in the Championship could be developed into certainly a classier outfit, with more potential for real progress. Thinking there is an instant answer to turning CP into a silk purse is nice, but going to be very hard to achieve,
By the way our academy is doing very well, maybe not as far adrift as you say.



We really don't want to be going down to the Championship if we can avoid it. A big part of our future development has to be a new stand so as to increase both capacity and revenue. That's never going to happen if we're down in the Championship.

If we go down, it is by no means certain we can either:
1. Get back quickly or
2. if we do get back that we will be able to stay up.
The record of promoted teams staying up makes sober reading.

Of the 27 completed PL seasons (excluding the first season)
- only on 3 occasions did all three promoted teams manage to survive their first season.
- on 1 occasion all 3 went straight back down
- on 9 occasions 2 of the 3 went straight back down and
- on the other 14, 1 of the 3 went straight back down.

Clubs that have had 2 or more promotions and relegations to/from the PL and are not currently in it comprise quite a list:
- Norwich
- Middlesbrough
- Nottingham Forest
- Sunderland
- Derby
- Bolton
- Charlton
- Watford
- QPR
- Birmingham
- Reading
- Hull
- Cardiff
IMO, it is vital that we don't rejoin this list if we can avoid it.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 01 Feb 21 1.31pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Perhaps my memory is selective, but didn't Roy school Howe the last few times we played Bournemouth?

Dyche is a fit (apart from the fact he probably wouldn't come). Howe is not.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Feb 21 1.31pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend


It should be remembered that up to now, Hodgson, is the only manager we have had that has not either become a sacking candidate, or a mysterious, sudden out the door and away job..
This surely has to reflect on just how hard it is to manage CP.
It will have to happen, Roy surely can not go on for ever. But whoever takes the reins , in our present condition, it will need to be someone that is completely in tune with the solid hard work needed to succeed even to gain mid table.
If available after this year I would go for Chris Wilder.If he could get the same application into our lot as he achieved with the squad he had at Sheffield last year. And with an ounce more quality in his side would have repeated this, and not been where his team is now..

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Feb 21 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


We really don't want to be going down to the Championship if we can avoid it. A big part of our future development has to be a new stand so as to increase both capacity and revenue. That's never going to happen if we're down in the Championship.

If we go down, it is by no means certain we can either:
1. Get back quickly or
2. if we do get back that we will be able to stay up.
The record of promoted teams staying up makes sober reading.

Of the 27 completed PL seasons (excluding the first season)
- only on 3 occasions did all three promoted teams manage to survive their first season.
- on 1 occasion all 3 went straight back down
- on 9 occasions 2 of the 3 went straight back down and
- on the other 14, 1 of the 3 went straight back down.

Clubs that have had 2 or more promotions and relegations to/from the PL and are not currently in it comprise quite a list:
- Norwich
- Middlesbrough
- Nottingham Forest
- Sunderland
- Derby
- Bolton
- Charlton
- Watford
- QPR
- Birmingham
- Reading
- Hull
- Cardiff
IMO, it is vital that we don't rejoin this list if we can avoid it.


Yer, I don’t really recommend it, other than in the terms of it allowing time for a complete reappraisal , with a young talented manager given scope to develop young talented players , and moulding a quality outfit really suited to get above half way in the Premier, when that came about.
What I m trying to say , is I don’t think that would be likely to be possible to do whilst trying not to get relegated. Anyway.
If it’s just a case of hoping we can do a bit better than as we do now, as I have said in another post , it’s Wilder, for me.

 

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View m/k mick's Profile m/k mick Flag milton keynes 01 Feb 21 1.45pm Send a Private Message to m/k mick Add m/k mick as a friend

Steven Gerrard i think is a good fit for Palace, at some point he will want to manage in the Premier, unlikely the top six or so would go for him, other than Liverpool in a few years time, so a mid table club would be his best bet, i have a gut feeling that he will manage us,

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Feb 21 1.55pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


Yer, I don’t really recommend it, other than in the terms of it allowing time for a complete reappraisal , with a young talented manager given scope to develop young talented players , and moulding a quality outfit really suited to get above half way in the Premier, when that came about.
What I m trying to say , is I don’t think that would be likely to be possible to do whilst trying not to get relegated. Anyway.
If it’s just a case of hoping we can do a bit better than as we do now, as I have said in another post , it’s Wilder, for me.

Thing is, does it ever actually happen that way? Far more likely that we end up selling any good young players we happen to develop to premier league clubs, as happened last time with Clyne and Zaha.

 

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