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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 08 May 21 10.13pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Labour could turn this around quite quickly with good policies, but the leader had none, and must go.

The tories have not done all that well, they only have a by-election win in an untypical constituency with a dismal turnout, and despite the numbers, only won control of 11 councils.

Big win for labour in Wales.

SNP in Scotland and majority independence support.

Khan about to be re-elected in London, Manchester and Liverpool labour.

Starmer has been a disaster, strange he seemed such an experienced able politician, but he just doesn't get any of it, impervious to any reason or constructive criticism.

Resign Sir Keir, and let the movement have a new leader and direction.

'Movement'
that's answered why it went so badly then.

 

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Keir Starmer - I take full responsibility, but its her fault really ...

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Originally posted by cryrst

'Movement'
that's answered why it went so badly then.

Nail on head

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 09 May 21 7.46am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Would be interested to know what you would consider to be good policies.

I would support nationalisation of rail and water for example, if we could guarantee not to return to the union driven chaos of the 70's when the train service was a joke.

Water I believe requires investment at a level that allows little room for profit and should operate at break even.

I would actively promote local bus services in the levelling in areas, there are virtually no bus services from surrounding towns to Hull for example, so people who need to attend hospital need to take a taxi which is ridiculous.

Originally posted by steeleye20

Labour could turn this around quite quickly with good policies, but the leader had none, and must go.

The tories have not done all that well, they only have a by-election win in an untypical constituency with a dismal turnout, and despite the numbers, only won control of 11 councils.

Big win for labour in Wales.

SNP in Scotland and majority independence support.

Khan about to be re-elected in London, Manchester and Liverpool labour.

Starmer has been a disaster, strange he seemed such an experienced able politician, but he just doesn't get any of it, impervious to any reason or constructive criticism.

Resign Sir Keir, and let the movement have a new leader and direction.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Would be interested to know what you would consider to be good policies.

I would support nationalisation of rail and water for example, if we could guarantee not to return to the union driven chaos of the 70's when the train service was a joke.

Water I believe requires investment at a level that allows little room for profit and should operate at break even.

I would actively promote local bus services in the levelling in areas, there are virtually no bus services from surrounding towns to Hull for example, so people who need to attend hospital need to take a taxi which is ridiculous.

Yes they would be good, and some re-nationalisation is already starting.

For me climate and green polices are my overriding concern anything else seems just inadequate.

Crime, especially knife crime imo requires legislation to ban knives altogether and a return to the successful 'tough on crime etc.' policy.

That means funding police intelligence on youths and bringing back youth centres.

My real bete noir has been water privatisation, I find it quite disgusting in view of all the billions that have been poured in to private companies, that they discharge raw sewage into rivers and the sea.

Grrrrr

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 09 May 21 10.43am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes they would be good, and some re-nationalisation is already starting.

For me climate and green polices are my overriding concern anything else seems just inadequate.

But what policies? What policies are going to encourage people who voted Leave to now vote for Labour as opposed to the Tories? What policies are going to be different?

 


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Originally posted by HKOwen

Would be interested to know what you would consider to be good policies.

I would support nationalisation of rail and water for example, if we could guarantee not to return to the union driven chaos of the 70's when the train service was a joke.

Water I believe requires investment at a level that allows little room for profit and should operate at break even.

I would actively promote local bus services in the levelling in areas, there are virtually no bus services from surrounding towns to Hull for example, so people who need to attend hospital need to take a taxi which is ridiculous.

The RMT have been bad enough with private companies. The reason they want nationalisation is to get more power.

I'd say that the government should bid for rail and bus franchise against the private sector. The best tender wins.

Issues with buses start as soon as you go outside of the M25. There are systems that could be easily introduced to help. Text my bus has been around for decades. Each bus stop has a number, you send it to a free to text number and it response with live data on when the next bus arrives could easily make an app that does the same. That would really help to get more people using buses, once customer numbers go up, more services can be provided.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 May 21 1.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

The RMT have been bad enough with private companies. The reason they want nationalisation is to get more power.

I'd say that the government should bid for rail and bus franchise against the private sector. The best tender wins.

Issues with buses start as soon as you go outside of the M25. There are systems that could be easily introduced to help. Text my bus has been around for decades. Each bus stop has a number, you send it to a free to text number and it response with live data on when the next bus arrives could easily make an app that does the same. That would really help to get more people using buses, once customer numbers go up, more services can be provided.

If the governments of the world were serious about the 'green future' then public transport in whichever guise needs to be free for everyone.
Cost effective to the pocket? No.
Cost effective for the planet? Yes.
Personally I think it's all bo lax but I'm still allowed that opinion.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 09 May 21 9.37pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst
If the governments of the world were serious about the 'green future' then public transport in whichever guise needs to be free for everyone.
Cost effective to the pocket? No.
Cost effective for the planet? Yes.
Personally I think it's all bo lax but I'm still allowed that opinion.

Do you mean, free at the point of use, for everyone?

Which isn't free. It's likely to be incredibly inefficient and those who can afford decent accountants won't have to pay anything whilst the rest of us get lumbered with the bill.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 May 21 9.53pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Do you mean, free at the point of use, for everyone?

Which isn't free. It's likely to be incredibly inefficient and those who can afford decent accountants won't have to pay anything whilst the rest of us get lumbered with the bill.

I mean 'free'. Hop on hop off, any domestic service any place anytime. We are going to get hammered, and I mean hammered very soon. Including the poor; they won't be immune from the bulls*** coming our way. So exactly where is that money going to go.
Once we all have electric heating,electric cars,electric or wind everything else, what then.
If the planet is in so much peril then be radical because money is what we live for fundamentally.
Gives us a standard of life. Let people have free travel and be able to save money. Thats how you clear the roads; of course if the planet isn't in peril you wouldn't try would you???
Not you J just the ones at the top bullying us.

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 09 May 21 10.33pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Labour could turn this around quite quickly with good policies, but the leader had none, and must go.

The tories have not done all that well, they only have a by-election win in an untypical constituency with a dismal turnout, and despite the numbers, only won control of 11 councils.

Big win for labour in Wales.

SNP in Scotland and majority independence support.

Khan about to be re-elected in London, Manchester and Liverpool labour.

Starmer has been a disaster, strange he seemed such an experienced able politician, but he just doesn't get any of it, impervious to any reason or constructive criticism.

Resign Sir Keir, and let the movement have a new leader and direction.

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We are not a million miles apart, as ever, the devil is in the detail.

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes they would be good, and some re-nationalisation is already starting.

For me climate and green polices are my overriding concern anything else seems just inadequate.

Crime, especially knife crime imo requires legislation to ban knives altogether and a return to the successful 'tough on crime etc.' policy.

That means funding police intelligence on youths and bringing back youth centres.

My real bete noir has been water privatisation, I find it quite disgusting in view of all the billions that have been poured in to private companies, that they discharge raw sewage into rivers and the sea.

Grrrrr

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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