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This is a week old but FWIW looks like a mobilised muslim vote will doom Labour but anything can happen when it's time to vote.

 


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Hold the presses, looks very close. Labour might have shaved it.

and Labour win, just goes to show bookies don't know everything

Edited by HKOwen (02 Jul 2021 5.25am)

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 02 Jul 21 6.42am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Hold the presses, looks very close. Labour might have shaved it.

and Labour win, just goes to show bookies don't know everything

Edited by HKOwen (02 Jul 2021 5.25am)

Labour hold it but only just.

Not sure how this will play out now. Firstly the Tories blew this big time. Once again their voter apathy has cost them and whilst they don't really care that much given their huge majority, I still seee this as an opportunity lost.

And whilst Labour have won, on the back of throwing any and everything at the voter turn out, it probably leaves them with as many problems as it solves. Galloway has shown them that their supposed Muslim hardcore vote is not as loyal as they believed and one of their election leaflets showing Johnson holding hands with Modi, must have done a lot of damage with the Hindu community. Probably cost them far more votes, in the country overall, than the ones that secured them their victory. Throw in the fact that the Greens did not stand, and their victory is pyrrhic at best.

With old Galloway throwing in a spanner and probably now looking to stand in any and every by-election to come where a Muslim population plays a part in the electoral reality. That's the damage for Labour and where the long term structural problems threaten to sink it.

The question now is does Starmer turn on the Left who were desperately wanting him, and openly doing so in many cases, to lose? Still a possibility of a leadership challenge in the wings although I suspect it will not pan out now.


 


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Have to congratulate Kim Leadbeater, seems to have been a nasty campaign.

Possibly some Conservative voters didn't bother as the result had been widely predicted as slam dunk.

I don't mind Starmer hanging around and being an ineffective opposition leader and driving a wedge between the Labour factions.

 


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A nasty campaign by all accounts.

The Tories still treading water which considering all that has happened is still a fair result for a sitting government.

As for Labour they just limp along, as others had said this doesn't really help or hurt Starmer so perhaps postponing the inevitable.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 21 10.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

This is the second by-election in a row in which the Conservative campaign operation hasn’t run smoothly and I suspect there might be repercussions.

A great deal to discuss when I meet some of my Conservative chums for a coffee later!

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 21 10.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Have to congratulate Kim Leadbeater, seems to have been a nasty campaign.

Possibly some Conservative voters didn't bother as the result had been widely predicted as slam dunk.

I don't mind Starmer hanging around and being an ineffective opposition leader and driving a wedge between the Labour factions.

Labour ran a divisive campaign that exploited ethnic divisions in the constituency.
They scraped a win,losing 9,000 votes, and have reacted as though they have won the General Election.


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 21 1.05pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

A fine win from an exceptional candidate, well done to her.

If Starmer is correct, that labour is back, then it must connect to voters with meaningful policies.

Otherwise, this nasty campaign unfortunately does reflect on the state of the country imo.

The voters are actually pretty s***e too.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 02 Jul 21 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20


If Starmer is correct, that labour is back, then it must connect to voters with meaningful policies.



'Back' is not holding onto a seat in a by-election in which your vote drops by 3000.


'Could have been worse' is perhaps the correct assessment. Starmer gets to keep his job, for now, but the fault lines in Labours electoral coalition have once again been shown up.

A win is a win so you take them where you can but Starmer has not pulled off any kind of win here beyond the most facile kind.

What the Lib Dems did in Chelsham, now that was an impressive feat but this? In my opinion, last night poses far more questions for Labour than it answers.

And when it has to parachute in tear-jerker candidates who did not even meet their own qualification rules prior to their selection and still only scrape a win, then they are still a very damaged political institution.

Question now is does Starmer actually do something about the Left of his own party who were desperate for him to lose?

Personally, I think he has to grow some balls and take serious action. If there is one thing about these two recent by-elections for the Tories it is that it kicks any kind of notion of an election before the later part of 2024 well into touch so Starmer has some breathing space but he has to act swiftly because they are not going to just sit back.


 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 02 Jul 21 2.25pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Have to congratulate Kim Leadbeater, seems to have been a nasty campaign.

Possibly some Conservative voters didn't bother as the result had been widely predicted as slam dunk.

I don't mind Starmer hanging around and being an ineffective opposition leader and driving a wedge between the Labour factions.

And the nastiness was Labour on Labour - bizarre.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 02 Jul 21 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

And the nastiness was Labour on Labour - bizarre.

Is George Galloway Labour then?

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 02 Jul 21 3.28pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Is George Galloway Labour then?

Leftwing on Leftwing then.

 

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