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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 26 Jun 21 5.49pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Having followed the club for the best part of 50 years, every time that relegation from the top flight has happened in all that time (probably barring 1992-93), it has carried a certain inevitability.
There is a lot to be pleased about from the Parish years. Salvation, the longest top-flight stay, significant strides last season taken by the academy, though a successful academy is more of an asset outside the Premiership.
However, the finger of blame for the current squad situation and the seemingly unending and embarassing manager searches etc stands firmly at Mr P's door. Whether it came as a surprise that Roy was leaving at the end of the season or not (and great job that he did on keeping the club up with limited resources, he was not the future), clearly no succession planning was done.
Then there is the ludicrous situation that there are so many players out of contract at the end of this month - I mean, who knew ???
Further, apparently the players concerned were told that they'd have to wait till a new manager is appointed before anything gets resolved. Now clearly, Palace won't want to keep them all but it surely unnecessarily encourages other clubs and certainly diminishes any remaining likelihood of Wilf being persuaded to stay.
In these years in the Premiership this club has made more money than EVER before, yet do any of the fans really feel that at the start of the season we are any more established ?? (and I do accept that we have no divine right to stay up) or does it feel that we are still little more than a newly-promoted club with a number of games written off ??
Apparently 1 reason why Nuno & Favre said no was the likely size of the 'war chest' for the new season - perhaps there would be more if Mr Parish had not spent shedloads on professional crocks Sakho, Wickham and Fergusson etc. The Wan-Bissaka money went towards to balancing the books.
It is not his fault, but why do we seem to get so many more injuries than other top-flight clubs each season ?
I do not yearn for movement to the mythical 'next level', but it would be good if it felt that the club was progressing in a calm, businesslike way and even had a cup run again next season, instead of playing out as being a media soap opera.
The quality in the Premiership reduces every year so there is a chance, even starting from this point of unattractiveness to a prospective new manager, that things might not be as bad as many fear next season, but Mr Parish needs to sort it out very quickly or it will be pre-season training with Messrs Derry, Mccarthy and Kiely and extremely frantic attempts in the transfer market.

 

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View Elwissthebest's Profile Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 26 Jun 21 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

Eminently reasonable, but beware the Two Selhurst Commandments:

1. Thou shalt not think ill of Roy Hodgson.
2. Thou shalt not think ill of Steve Parish.

 

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deleted 25 Flag 26 Jun 21 6.06pm

Parish and co have done a lot of great things for the club.

Choosing managers has long been the Achilles heal for the board.

Same scenario happened with appointment of FdB.

Basically we seem to be going for Cooper because nobody else wants to come and a lack of vision for what we want

We are not alone, Clubs bigger than us like Spurs also Wing it.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 26 Jun 21 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

We are in a sorry state at present and I don't blame prospective managers walking away from taking on the job. Nobody wants a relegation on their CV, and even a top coach may find the job of keeping us up next season beyond them, if transfer funds are limited.

Whilst I agree with most points made by the OP I would question how much succession planning can be done. Unless you are one of the big clubs I'm not sure how likely it is that you can get a quality coach to commit themselves to you in advance. Is a prospective manager really going to prematurely close down all other options for a job at Palace? Ultimately I believe we are hostage to whoever is available when the role becomes vacant.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 26 Jun 21 7.25pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Didn’t even bother reading. Sick of the moaning and abuse hurled at club heroes who are doing their best.

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 26 Jun 21 7.52pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

I don't blame prospective managers walking away from taking on the job.

I don't blame them either unless they've spent three days interviewing, have agreed a contract on the basis of which they've asked for a work permit, and they've verbally indicated they're going to accept the job. Then, I blame them.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 26 Jun 21 8.26pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

We are in a sorry state at present and I don't blame prospective managers walking away from taking on the job. Nobody wants a relegation on their CV, and even a top coach may find the job of keeping us up next season beyond them, if transfer funds are limited.

Whilst I agree with most points made by the OP I would question how much succession planning can be done. Unless you are one of the big clubs I'm not sure how likely it is that you can get a quality coach to commit themselves to you in advance. Is a prospective manager really going to prematurely close down all other options for a job at Palace? Ultimately I believe we are hostage to whoever is available when the role becomes vacant.

Sense: a rare commodity on here sometimes...

 


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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 26 Jun 21 8.50pm Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

i dont think you can claim mismanagement.

none of the other PL teams, who work on a different level to us have appointed managers, and its not like we havnt tried to get somebody in.

its very easy to point the finger & shout from a pedestal about this, that & whatever but you need to be realistic.

the only criticism i would have right now
is that andros/cahill/ward/clyne (if fit) need signing up before they go elsewhere.

other than that, yes i would have liked a manager in place by now, but its not a simple process.

 


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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 26 Jun 21 9.34pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

OK I get that there are other clubs who like us are looking for managers. That does make our quest harder as those clubs (Everton and Spurs) are financially better placed than us.

But what does seem an issue is the sheer number of what have been key players who have been allowed to run down their contracts and who can leave for nothing. OK Wickham is a load off the wage bill but others are key players.

These players will not want the uncertainty of no manager and will now also want a nice signing on fee to re sign. That is poor management.

I also would guess that whilst we do need to rebuild, there is little actual money to do it.

All the signs in recent transfer activity are of a club that is simply skint.

Running any business should involve a bit of forward planning and future forecasting. From where I stand that may be an issue.

But there are others I know who do believe Mr Parish can do no wrong. But equally they also probably believe Simon Jordan was an ace business man and bought back Selhurst Park.

 

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View CT Charlie's Profile CT Charlie Flag 26 Jun 21 10.51pm Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

Certainly we're in a discouraging, possibly even dire, situation, but let's be reasonable, shall we?

1) Despite the passionate fan base, ours is not a club that would appeal to a top-level manager or one who aspires to be. Because of the aging squad, uncertain contract situations, and lack of funds, relegation is a real possibility regardless of the talent of the manager.

2) The uncertain contract situations are part of a Catch-22. Palace don't want to commit to players (nor they to us) until we find a new manager, but the new manager would not want to commit to Palace without knowing the core of the roster.

3) Who could have foreseen that both Spurs and Everton would be searching for managers when we were? And both are far more attractive, stable positions.

4) The pandemic has complicated the search for new players and a manager in unprecedented fashion. In normal times, it would have been far easier for S.P. to look for the right person. Furthermore, many foreign candidates may be more reluctant to even consider the Palace job - would they want to move to England under these circumstances?

I'm not especially optimistic, and I acknowledge that the responsibility falls in the lap of Steve Parish. But it's only fair to acknowledge there's a perfect storm of circumstances that make the process almost impossible to have been done swiftly or well.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 27 Jun 21 12.18am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Does it not make sense then to have a safe pair of hands in for now, start a properly planned and structured recruitment exercise and find a manger who is willing to take the job and then hopefully bring him in mid season for a smooth handover for the 22/23 season.

Of course we could have done that.........

 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 27 Jun 21 12.27am Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

Having followed the club for the best part of 50 years, every time that relegation from the top flight has happened in all that time (probably barring 1992-93), it has carried a certain inevitability.
There is a lot to be pleased about from the Parish years. Salvation, the longest top-flight stay, significant strides last season taken by the academy, though a successful academy is more of an asset outside the Premiership.
However, the finger of blame for the current squad situation and the seemingly unending and embarassing manager searches etc stands firmly at Mr P's door. Whether it came as a surprise that Roy was leaving at the end of the season or not (and great job that he did on keeping the club up with limited resources, he was not the future), clearly no succession planning was done.
Then there is the ludicrous situation that there are so many players out of contract at the end of this month - I mean, who knew ???
Further, apparently the players concerned were told that they'd have to wait till a new manager is appointed before anything gets resolved. Now clearly, Palace won't want to keep them all but it surely unnecessarily encourages other clubs and certainly diminishes any remaining likelihood of Wilf being persuaded to stay.
In these years in the Premiership this club has made more money than EVER before, yet do any of the fans really feel that at the start of the season we are any more established ?? (and I do accept that we have no divine right to stay up) or does it feel that we are still little more than a newly-promoted club with a number of games written off ??
Apparently 1 reason why Nuno & Favre said no was the likely size of the 'war chest' for the new season - perhaps there would be more if Mr Parish had not spent shedloads on professional crocks Sakho, Wickham and Fergusson etc. The Wan-Bissaka money went towards to balancing the books.
It is not his fault, but why do we seem to get so many more injuries than other top-flight clubs each season ?
I do not yearn for movement to the mythical 'next level', but it would be good if it felt that the club was progressing in a calm, businesslike way and even had a cup run again next season, instead of playing out as being a media soap opera.
The quality in the Premiership reduces every year so there is a chance, even starting from this point of unattractiveness to a prospective new manager, that things might not be as bad as many fear next season, but Mr Parish needs to sort it out very quickly or it will be pre-season training with Messrs Derry, Mccarthy and Kiely and extremely frantic attempts in the transfer market.

Every other team in the Premier League has made a lot of money as well and the technical ability in terms of playing and coaching is eons better than when we were promoted eight years ago.

I think the situation is a mess but we've (comparatively) run out of money like Stoke and West Brom did.


Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (27 Jun 2021 12.31am)

 

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