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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 10.14am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's sad to think that you will spend your twilight years whining on about lost causes.
You want to worship Europe like some victim of Stockholm Syndrome because they are being nasty to us?

You are the kind of person who would have trusted Hitler.

I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining.

I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything.

I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 13 Oct 21 10.53am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining.

I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything.

I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists.

Once more....
Cameron got the finger when asked for some preferential treatment so brexit happened. If the EU offered the UK a bespoke deal back then we wouldn't have even discussed it. Why don't you question why the EU took that chance? Obviously they thought it wouldn't happen but it DID. Apathy of your fellow remoaners created this. Go and question them, not the people who could be bothered.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Oct 21 12.52pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by nead1

Maybe you could enlarge on why you think the EU treats the UK so badly - especially Macron?

Frankly, such a perspective is lost on me. Going back on/ignoring international treaties that Johnson and Frost both negotiated and championed as outstanding, giving a nod to militants in NI to stir up trouble, creating quite unnecessary tensions with France over fishing and then, of course, the debacle in the Channel.

Of course, its politically expedient to keep a running battle with the EU. Johnson got elected on just that basis and indeed his whole conversion to the Leave cause was associated with political opportunism. He was never known previously, despite his years in Brussels as an inaccurate journalist, to have expressed any strong views on the matter.

That's the nature of the British PM and his henchman Frost that the EU are dealing with. Untrustworthy, not serious and quite willing in their own interests to keep the issue running and running. All the while, of course, the true costs of this whole scenario are starting to play out for UK citizens to witness and pay for.

Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Once more....
Cameron got the finger when asked for some preferential treatment so brexit happened. If the EU offered the UK a bespoke deal back then we wouldn't have even discussed it. Why don't you question why the EU took that chance? Obviously they thought it wouldn't happen but it DID. Apathy of your fellow remoaners created this. Go and question them, not the people who could be bothered.

Everyone misjudged the situation, not just the EU! Even Farage thought that he would lose, right up to the moment before the result was announced.

As I have said many times, you cannot compare the Remain campaign with the Leave one and blame apathy. Defending the status quo is always less sexy than promising a golden dawn.

The blame lies squarely with the very idea of asking the people to determine such a complex issue, when their job is to select people to make such decisions on our behalf.

That Cameron, and central office, decided to cave in to UKIP's threat was a miscalculation of epic proportions for which they can never be forgiven.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Oct 21 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining.

I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything.

I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists.

What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign.

You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech?

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Oct 21 1.36pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it.

It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson.

Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word.

France has actually been a good friend considering.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Oct 21 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson.

Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word.

France has actually been a good friend considering.

When discussing trust worthiness probably not the best person to cite.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 6.58pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign.

You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech?

Another laugh out loud moment from you.

I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous.

All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Oct 21 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it.

Of course he does, he's a Turk!

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 13 Oct 21 7.01pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Another laugh out loud moment from you.

I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous.

All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway.

So how has brexit affected you.
Phycologically clearly but that's a personal problem you may need help with.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Oct 21 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Another laugh out loud moment from you.

I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous.

All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway.

Yes, and your 'observations' contain no objectivity whatsoever.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, and your 'observations' contain no objectivity whatsoever.

Really? Maybe you live in some kind of parallel universe in which everything is going swimmingly, our PM is the most trustworthy leader we have ever had, trade deals are flowing like milk and honey and the "oven-ready" withdrawal agreement does what it says on the tin. And not turn out to be one of those supermarket family ready meals in glossy, over-sized packaging that turns out to be barely a meal for one, with cheap ingredients and full of air and water.

Or have I missed something?

 

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