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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Oct 21 3.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's hard to comment on, because you appear to have convinced yourself with zero reason for it that the police launched a completely unprovoked physical attack on people. That belief is rooted solely in you having a warped white (Hungary) vs black (defending someone being racially abused) angle, as it is with ever single racial issue going, rather than anything that actually took place.

While you plaster threads with how black players should greet the n word and the like being hurled at them with a shrug, you sure do seem to lack any restraint in your own reactions when those targeted by it defend themselves. You're much more okay with the former than the latter, which is why its no surprise that in this case too you appear to think that racially abusing members of staff at a game is absolutely fine and should be allowed to continue, and that reacting to it by adhering to rules of the ground and law is what is wrong.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Oct 2021 3.16pm)

He didn't say that and to be fair to Hrolf he's always criticised racial abuse at football matches. I will join in that and say that anyone shouting racial abuse is an arrsehole.

However, it's a legitimate response to criticise aggressive Police action over words from a crowd.

The number of times that I've seen people swear at Police and others in their presence and nothing was done about it.....but what's now very apparent is just how significantly it matters if those words are racial.

Shows exactly where the power is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2021 3.29pm)

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I did wonder if those Hungarians were actually from Hungary.

Funny how the wrong sort of foreigners who use nasty words get so much coverage while others can rape, murder, sell prostitutes and drugs without anyone in the media caring.

According to the Telegraph, NO.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He didn't say that and to be fair to Hrolf he's always criticised racial abuse at football matches. I will join in that and say that anyone shouting racial abuse is an arrsehole.

However, it's a legitimate response to criticise aggressive Police action over words from a crowd.

The number of times that I've seen people swear at Police and others in their presence and nothing was done about it.....but what's now very apparent is just how significantly it matters if those words are racial.

Shows exactly where the power is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2021 3.29pm)

And that explains why only a certain section of opinion is always allowed to be 'right' while another is always 'wrong' even when they are right.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 13 Oct 21 3.36pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

IS there anyone on this site who is capable of debating these issues without introducing straw man arguments and making insinuations?

Do you think it is reasonable to attack a crowd with sticks if one or some of them are using insulting language? It's a simple question.

There's no 'straw man' about it. The repetitive way in which you regurgitate the 'just ignore it' point at racist abuse, while being incapable of calming yourself at every single instance of black people not just letting it sail by is ridiculous.

Clearly if people impede an arrest, or were aggressive when the police tried to make it, then they will need to defend themselves. If the police need to arrest someone, it's not some nightclub brawl where anyone can lunge in. You have decided that instead of a scenario that is clearly much more likely, entirely peaceful, law abiding and non confrontational Hungarian fans stood by to allow an arrest and were randomly beaten for the fun of it by police who wanted a much larger group to then turn against them, punch and attack them.

You don't even believe that yourself. Stop whining for 5 seconds and support your team, and the stewards doing their job, rather than those attacking or hurling racist abuse at them. Quit doing your usual colour count before deciding who's in the right.


 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 13 Oct 21 3.44pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He didn't say that and to be fair to Hrolf he's always criticised racial abuse at football matches. I will join in that and say that anyone shouting racial abuse is an arrsehole.

However, it's a legitimate response to criticise aggressive Police action over words from a crowd.

The number of times that I've seen people swear at Police and others in their presence and nothing was done about it.....but what's now very apparent is just how significantly it matters if those words are racial.

Shows exactly where the power is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2021 3.29pm)

If someone reels off racial slurs and abuse at a steward, player or member of the crowd, clearly they should not be there. Lots of talk of 'power' and 'whiphand' but yes in the typical crowd now there are lots of black fans. And thank God for that if it means that it's seen as preferable to eject those with such a low standard of behaviour towards others. It doesn't come with the price of the ticket.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Oct 2021 4.08pm)

 

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And for what it's worth Barnes makes some good points, that come from a place of someone who has both taken on various perspectives, doesn't feel the need to go along with the crowd, but also appreciates the intrinsic value of his countrymen regardless of their colour. Many fall flat on that last one.

I'd say that he's pretty much bang on with regard to taking the knee. It's akin to wearing a badge to make a point, sure it gets attention but beyond that it loses meaning and is more of an 'i've done my bit' without actually doing a thing. He's right to raise issues such as knife crime, engaging with communities and government rather than something that is a lazy, symbolic gesture. With how much money footballers have they could engage in far more transformative action than taking the knee.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Oct 2021 3.53pm)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

If someone reels off racial slurs and abuse at a steward, player or member of the crowd, clearly they should not be there. Lots of talk of 'power' and 'whiphand' but yes in the typical crowd now there are lots of black fans. And thank God for that if it means that it's seen as preferable to eject those with such a low standard of behaviour towards others. It doesn't come with the price of the ticket.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Oct 2021 4.08pm)

I think we can all agree to the extent that shouting abuse at people doing their job isn't a good thing.

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

There's no 'straw man' about it. The repetitive way in which you regurgitate the 'just ignore it' point at racist abuse, while being incapable of calming yourself at every single instance of black people not just letting it sail by is ridiculous.

Clearly if people impede an arrest, or were aggressive when the police tried to make it, then they will need to defend themselves. If the police need to arrest someone, it's not some nightclub brawl where anyone can lunge in. You have decided that instead of a scenario that is clearly much more likely, entirely peaceful, law abiding and non confrontational Hungarian fans stood by to allow an arrest and were randomly beaten for the fun of it by police who wanted a much larger group to then turn against them, punch and attack them.

You don't even believe that yourself. Stop whining for 5 seconds and support your team, and the stewards doing their job, rather than those attacking or hurling racist abuse at them. Quit doing your usual colour count before deciding who's in the right.


Straw man stuff again.

One more time. Do you think it is reasonable for policemen with sticks to attempt an arrest for using insulting words when the consequences of that clearly made matters far worse?

The obvious point for those smart enough to understand is that the police are clearly under a directive to clamp down on high profile verbal abuse of only one particular type.

I don't pay taxes for them to be used in such a disproportionate manner. It is farcical.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think we can all agree to the extent that shouting abuse at people doing their job isn't a good thing.

But of course, calling the referee a w***er or abusing players with insulting language that is not racist seems to be OK, especially if they are White and British. Well according to the media anyway.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Straw man stuff again.

One more time. Do you think it is reasonable for policemen with sticks to attempt an arrest for using insulting words when the consequences of that clearly made matters far worse?


Not all that strawman since you've now completely backtracked from saying that the crowd were attacked with sticks in an unprovoked fashion. In answer to what fragment of a point remains, racial abuse, as stated is not included in the price of a ticket and is against the law and terms of attendance.

Therefore certainly it is absolutely fine for the police to remove someone from the grounds in such circumstances. If they are obstructed from doing so or attacked in the line of duty, they are fully within their right to defend themselves. I'm inclined to support them over those unable to control their behaviour in a very basic way.

Footage of this entire incident was recorded in Ultra HD. If innocent Hungarian fans completely minding their own business and not trying to obstruct an arrest were mindlessly battered by what you appear to think was an out of control group of police attacking anybody then they can expect significant compensation. Of course though that is exceeding unlikely to occur, because the scenario you've dreamt up is logically very unlikely to have happened.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Not all that strawman since you've now completely backtracked from saying that the crowd were attacked with sticks in an unprovoked fashion. In answer to what fragment of a point remains, racial abuse, as stated is not included in the price of a ticket and is against the law and terms of attendance.

Therefore certainly it is absolutely fine for the police to remove someone from the grounds in such circumstances. If they are obstructed from doing so or attacked in the line of duty, they are fully within their right to defend themselves. I'm inclined to support them over those unable to control their behaviour in a very basic way.

Footage of this entire incident was recorded in Ultra HD. If innocent Hungarian fans completely minding their own business and not trying to obstruct an arrest were mindlessly battered by what you appear to think was an out of control group of police attacking anybody then they can expect significant compensation. Of course though that is exceeding unlikely to occur, because the scenario you've dreamt up is logically very unlikely to have happened.

Are you incapable of comprehending?
This is about a disproportionate response to a specific type of insult as opposed to another for PR purposes.

Are you doing this on purpose?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But of course, calling the referee a w***er or abusing players with insulting language that is not racist seems to be OK, especially if they are White and British. Well according to the media anyway.

For one if you call someone a pr!ck on a football pitch I'm not sure that anyone thinks its more 'okay' if the target is black or 'white and british'. As a side point, players can of course also be 'black and british'.

Secondly, insults or words hold different weight at any given time. While the likes of the n word hold very little weight for you because you bizarrely spend endless hours rallying against those on the receiving end of such language, in society as a whole it is widely agreed that calling someone a t0sser or similar is rather tame when compared to peppering someone with racial slurs.

 

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