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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Danny Mills is not very bright. Bless him.

He's our new social, cultural and political spokesperson.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 14 Oct 21 2.50pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Good point well made, my bad

Originally posted by jeeagles

Pedo tosser.

Can a pedo be classed as only "a bit of a tosser"?

 


A lie will travel half way around the world before the truth has got it's shoes on.

I have simply accepted Wisbech Eagle is an all knowing and wise higher form of life.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Oct 21 4.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

True, but just as true is that said filters will always be arbitrary, not along predictable lines that benefit us. Any surface politically idealised outcome, such as the 'everyone in' of the far left or 'turf em out' of the far right will still end up with people waking up the next day with the sh!t end of the stick in one way or another. There will always be another 'target for blame' and it will be someone with very little; those with disabilities perhaps, the poor being ever squeezed and so on. There is no 'white brother', nor 'coke advert' scenario. It's all varying degrees of guff because as soon as people appear to have more in common or power they just fragment in other ways on account of how convenient yet ridiculous most of these distinctions are to begin with. They are useful distinctions until they're not.

I'm no fan of mass immigration for instance. I do however appreciate the realities of society and where we're at, whereas Hrolf has essentially said multiple times that how non-whites are perceived changes peoples views of immigration. I have little interest in finding ways to do down my fellow man in some kind of misjudged belief that it will long term shift demographics a couple of percentage points this way or that. I would personally prefer to appreciate good people outside of any preconceived half baked idea of them. Most black people in my family or circle aren't some kind of hyper politicised BLM members and don't give a fig about any of this stuff. People would benefit from not letting their view of groups be disproportionately coloured by the actions of activists or media - in turn becoming exactly like those activists and formats with their own 'broadcasts'.

But anyway, as you said, it's pretty pointless to even talk about this anyway as it's not about to change anything..


Edited by BlueJay (14 Oct 2021 12.51am)

While I recognise your good intent we don't tend to agree on much in this area, though we certainly concur on your last sentence.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 14 Oct 21 4.22pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Attacking them with sticks for an alleged verbal attack on someone seems rather nuts in the circumstances, don't you think?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Oct 2021 2.22pm)

I can see 3 or 4 sweet and innocents here who deserve to be arrested after the fact

It's interesting to contrast your views of how 'pathetic' the police are here for upholding the law (and how unbothered you are when they are physically attacked for doing so) with your attitude to women getting roughed up by police when protesting Sarah Everard being raped and murdered. In that case you appeared to believe they got exactly that they deserved for being part of an 'illegal gathering'.

This gem too:

"The lack of respect for the police from all sides is shameful. They are the blunt instrument that upholds the law.
After doing their job, they then get criticised from all sides.

These women were breaking the law end of story. "


Perhaps you should decided whether it's important for police to uphold the law or not. Or is it just combinations of law and demographics that match your personal preference that decide whether police 'deserve respect' or are 'pathetic'? Getting on the wrong side of that equation turns the reverence you have for them upholding the law into amusement at them being met with violence when they do. While I appreciate that peoples politics and biases bleed into their take on things, there are surely limits. The steam from the ears race fixation evaporates every principle in its path.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Oct 2021 4.24pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

While I recognise your good intent we don't tend to agree on much in this area, though we certainly concur on your last sentence.

That's certainly fair enough!

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

I can see 3 or 4 sweet and innocents here who deserve to be arrested after the fact

It's interesting to contrast your views of how 'pathetic' the police are here for upholding the law (and how unbothered you are when they are physically attacked for doing so) with your attitude to women getting roughed up by police when protesting Sarah Everard being raped and murdered. In that case you appeared to believe they got exactly that they deserved for being part of an 'illegal gathering'.

This gem too:

"The lack of respect for the police from all sides is shameful. They are the blunt instrument that upholds the law.
After doing their job, they then get criticised from all sides.

These women were breaking the law end of story. "


Perhaps you should decided whether it's important for police to uphold the law or not. Or is it just combinations of law and demographics that match your personal preference that decide whether police 'deserve respect' or are 'pathetic'? Getting on the wrong side of that equation turns the reverence you have for them upholding the law into amusement at them being met with violence when they do. While I appreciate that peoples politics and biases bleed into their take on things, there are surely limits. The steam from the ears race fixation evaporates every principle in its path.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Oct 2021 4.24pm)

You seem to be criticising Hrolf for having bias upon what Police should consider action worthy in a physical sense.

Surely this is no different to anyone else, as everyone will have different perspectives on how the Police should view different incidents.

I'd probably be of the view that neither should have involved physical intervention.....really unless there is violence or damage to property or deliberate blocking of public infrastructure like stopping trains or cars then I think the Police should be rather more sensible.

You and others will possibly consider the crime of loutish abusive shouting worthy of a large Police intervention....however like I've said previously I've seen the Police ignore that behaviour many times in the past.

You say this is the law? Well, if it's the law it's certainly an unrealistic way of enforcing it and also very arbitrarily enforced in practice.

I suspect that what happened here bears all the hallmarks and fingerprints of what Police management consider important to enforce rather than anything else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Oct 2021 4.54pm)

 


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jeeagles Flag 14 Oct 21 4.57pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

I can see 3 or 4 sweet and innocents here who deserve to be arrested after the fact

It's interesting to contrast your views of how 'pathetic' the police are here for upholding the law (and how unbothered you are when they are physically attacked for doing so) with your attitude to women getting roughed up by police when protesting Sarah Everard being raped and murdered. In that case you appeared to believe they got exactly that they deserved for being part of an 'illegal gathering'.

This gem too:

"The lack of respect for the police from all sides is shameful. They are the blunt instrument that upholds the law.
After doing their job, they then get criticised from all sides.

These women were breaking the law end of story. "

Perhaps you should decided whether it's important for police to uphold the law or not. Or is it just combinations of law and demographics that match your personal preference that decide whether police 'deserve respect' or are 'pathetic'? Getting on the wrong side of that equation turns the reverence you have for them upholding the law into amusement at them being met with violence when they do. While I appreciate that peoples politics and biases bleed into their take on things, there are surely limits. The steam from the ears race fixation evaporates every principle in its path.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Oct 2021 4.24pm)

Hooligan culture. Barely exists in the United Kingdom anymore. When people reminisce about all what British society used to be like they will conveniently forget that you couldn't take your kids to football games in the 1980's and players regularly received racist abuse. It's not particularly surprising that the children of 80's thugs have become one of Britain's biggest underachieving groups.

I wonder if their is a video of the concourse at halftime? I know a Watford fan who got kicked out of the play-off final for persistent standing. He got warned in the first half, then they nabbed him on the concourse when he went for a half time pint. Much easier way of picking out individuals from a hostile crowd during a brawl. If not, release the CCTV and wait for someone to ID them. I'd imagine they'd pick off a few Hungarian supporters in the same way. The police don't need to get drawn into a confrontation which could easily escalate even further.

If you associate taking a knee with the far left Marxist socialist movement, then it would be a double standard not to associate the type of people that boo with these scumbags.

 

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I can't recall seeing such a daft use of the police, python-esque.

'How to disarm a man, armed with a pointed stick'

'First, take the stick etc. etc.'

What could they do, well wait until the end and separate the cause I would suggest, but like that it just provokes a general reaction as we can see.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

I can't recall seeing such a daft use of the police, python-esque.

'How to disarm a man, armed with a pointed stick'

'First, take the stick etc. etc.'

What could they do, well wait until the end and separate the cause I would suggest, but like that it just provokes a general reaction as we can see.


For once, we agree. The alleged offence was just not worth putting police and fans at risk of serious injury. Upholding the law in thee kinds of circumstances has always been a judgement call.
This is clearly a case of the police making decisions based on politics, and that is not a good place to be.

To make matters worse, they were very outnumbered and had to make an embarrassing retreat. Stupid from start to finish.

 

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I know it's a bit off topic but isn't this story just totally ridiculous?

Surely this is something that required pulling aside and a talking too not losing your job!

[Link]

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

I can't recall seeing such a daft use of the police, python-esque.

'How to disarm a man, armed with a pointed stick'

'First, take the stick etc. etc.'

What could they do, well wait until the end and separate the cause I would suggest, but like that it just provokes a general reaction as we can see.


A perfectly reasonable take since you held the same view about police storming into a vigil (which is of course worse). If someone is consistent in their view then fair enough, there is little to criticse. If principles fly out of the windows the second they are inconvenient or are contingent on some ever present racial angle, then they aren't principles to begin with.


 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I know it's a bit off topic but isn't this story just totally ridiculous?

Surely this is something that required pulling aside and a talking too not losing your job!

[Link]

Sounds like an excuse to get rid of an ageing officer to me.

Did he lose his pension?

 

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