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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Jan 22 12.53pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Boris just doing what most of us did during lockdown!
He didint even want lockdowns to begin with I am sure his hands were tied!

If anyone else was pm england would be back in lockdown over the Christmas just gone!

Better the devil you know tbh! Wish Irish leaders had even half the backbone that Boris does!

The fact that it emerged that BJ didn't have a sh!t about the restrictions he himself put in place (at a time where others were demonised and fined if they ignored them) is the primary reason he didn't bring it restrictions at xmas.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 11 Jan 22 12.54pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Quite.

I suspect he is now looking for a suitable head to chop for deflection purposes - that Martin bloke seems a likely one.

Police protection officers must have known exactly who was coming in and out. They were no doubt told to turn a blind eye, and yet will now be firmly in the firing line for doing so.

There's a drip, drip, drip. Johnson won't deny being there as photos of the occasion are likely to start popping up. There's no defending such staggering hypocrisy really.

As for whether he'll actually go I'd say it's a 50/50. Rishi Sunak is favourite to replace him, but he doesn't exactly scream leadership material.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Jan 2022 1.11pm)

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Jan 22 2.00pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Boris just doing what most of us did during lockdown!
He didint even want lockdowns to begin with I am sure his hands were tied!

If anyone else was pm england would be back in lockdown over the Christmas just gone!

Better the devil you know tbh! Wish Irish leaders had even half the backbone that Boris does!

Your "I'm a responsible anti-vaxer" mask is slipping a bit

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Jan 22 3.33pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I never knew Boris was a fashion icon. Just seen Fabricant and his hair on Sky News. Looked like a wig, but who am I to judge? Tories with surfer's hair cuts, who'd have thought it?

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 11 Jan 22 4.20pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

You mean the civil servant he sent the email invitation? Quite right.

Not really. As a public employee he should be subject to the normal discipline under the same sort of employment contracts any other employee is subject to.

Only politicians are transient and are required (or at least used to be) to fall on their swords through collective responsibility.

Nowadays, it is cling on by chucking others under the bus. That poor lass forced to take the tumble on the Xmas party scandal and the whistle blower on the Patel bullying caper being just 2 cases in point.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 11 Jan 22 4.28pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Wilesy01

I think anybody who lost a loved one during the lockdown who were not able to see them in their last moments, nor able to hold a proper funeral for them would call this a big scandal.

You can't ask the public to make enormous sacrifices like that and not abide by your own rules.

But sadly the PM is a slippery fish so may well find a way out of this. It's whether his party will tolerate this type of behaviour in fear of an electoral battering at the next GE is the big question.

Yeah, that happened to me twice so this is not some self righteous point.

There will be meetings at Tory HQs across the land with the one burning question: who else do we have who is electable?

BJ is the only electable face they have who will likely win the next election by a reduced majority without ever once being a statesman or personally leading his country.

What is turning the tummy is the queue of career politicians standing before the media seeking personal advancement by providing unwavering support for Boris.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 22 5.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah but you probably thought that those rules and sacrifices were justified in the first place, whereas when it comes to losing a close relative I would have had it as personal choice with disclaimer warning and what safety procedures could be implemented. This isn't the black death and I think the balance has been wrong since the start.

The reality is that most of the public are tired of covid restrictions now so this just won't have the same impact than it might have had a year ago. It has much more traction with activists and the political than it will with the public....most of whom know that politicians are hypocrites anyway.

While there is considerable disquiet within the Tory party over Johnson...pretty much from the start he has always been an election winner. So essentially the Tories have their own Blair, where most of the party's grass roots aren't happy but the MPs like their jobs.

However, while the Tory Mps hold their nose less easily than Labour did with Blair I can't see them giving up their meal ticket without a considerable scandal.

He would be much more likely to go in the year after an election.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2022 11.44am)

This isn't yet another rehearsal of well known personal views about the wisdom of the government's responses to the pandemic.

This is about whether Johnson can survive the seemingly non ending revelations about his hypocrisy.

That only depends on a cold, hard political calculation of whether he is more, or less likely to save the Tories from a disaster at the next GE. Local elections matter as a barometer, but it's the GE which will be uppermost in the thoughts at Central Office. Make no mistake that it is there that the decision will be made.

I don't think he has any chance of recovering. The only question is when, not if, he will be replaced before the GE. Now or later.

The bigger question is by whom? Gove is about as attractive a replacement as Brown was after Blair. Sunak untested under pressure. The Tories need to win the next election and not risk a hung Parliament, which looks a distinct possibility if they continue on the same track. Adopting a more conciliatory attitude with the EU could assist that, whilst risking nothing. There is no UKIP or Brexit Party breathing down their neck now. So we could yet be very surprised at whom they choose to draw a line under populism and move the Party back onto morally defensible political ground.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Jan 22 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This isn't yet another rehearsal of well known personal views about the wisdom of the government's responses to the pandemic.

This is about whether Johnson can survive the seemingly non ending revelations about his hypocrisy.

That only depends on a cold, hard political calculation of whether he is more, or less likely to save the Tories from a disaster at the next GE. Local elections matter as a barometer, but it's the GE which will be uppermost in the thoughts at Central Office. Make no mistake that it is there that the decision will be made.

I don't think he has any chance of recovering. The only question is when, not if, he will be replaced before the GE. Now or later.

The bigger question is by whom? Gove is about as attractive a replacement as Brown was after Blair. Sunak untested under pressure. The Tories need to win the next election and not risk a hung Parliament, which looks a distinct possibility if they continue on the same track. Adopting a more conciliatory attitude with the EU could assist that, whilst risking nothing. There is no UKIP or Brexit Party breathing down their neck now. So we could yet be very surprised at whom they choose to draw a line under populism and move the Party back onto morally defensible political ground.

Your definition of populism changes with the weather.

I seriously doubt Boris is going anywhere.

This is just the usual desperate Leftists, of which you are one, trying anything to score a point against a government with a massive majority.
Hypocrisy is nothing new from the ruling classes, be they Blue or Red. The country has more important things to worry about.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Jan 2022 6.04pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 11 Jan 22 6.11pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This isn't yet another rehearsal of well known personal views about the wisdom of the government's responses to the pandemic.

This is about whether Johnson can survive the seemingly non ending revelations about his hypocrisy.

That only depends on a cold, hard political calculation of whether he is more, or less likely to save the Tories from a disaster at the next GE. Local elections matter as a barometer, but it's the GE which will be uppermost in the thoughts at Central Office. Make no mistake that it is there that the decision will be made.

I don't think he has any chance of recovering. The only question is when, not if, he will be replaced before the GE. Now or later.

The bigger question is by whom? Gove is about as attractive a replacement as Brown was after Blair. Sunak untested under pressure. The Tories need to win the next election and not risk a hung Parliament, which looks a distinct possibility if they continue on the same track. Adopting a more conciliatory attitude with the EU could assist that, whilst risking nothing. There is no UKIP or Brexit Party breathing down their neck now. So we could yet be very surprised at whom they choose to draw a line under populism and move the Party back onto morally defensible political ground.

Aside from agreeing that there isn't really a vote winning replacement I have to say that for once you produce a 'Meh' post.

Though obviously I disagree with your distain for 'populism' as you call it.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Jan 22 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your definition of populism changes with the weather.

I seriously doubt Boris is going anywhere.

This is just the usual desperate Leftists, of which you are one, trying anything to score a point against a government with a massive majority.
Hypocrisy is nothing new from the ruling classes, be they Blue or Red. The country has more important things to worry about.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Jan 2022 6.04pm)

My definition of populism is exactly the same as most. Google define it as "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups." Which works for me.

If Johnson isn't put out to grass it's the Tories who won't be going anywhere.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Jan 22 7.20pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My definition of populism is exactly the same as most. Google define it as "a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups." Which works for me.

If Johnson isn't put out to grass it's the Tories who won't be going anywhere.

Yup ,still in no 10 I guess so they won't need to.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This isn't yet another rehearsal of well known personal views about the wisdom of the government's responses to the pandemic.

This is about whether Johnson can survive the seemingly non ending revelations about his hypocrisy.

That only depends on a cold, hard political calculation of whether he is more, or less likely to save the Tories from a disaster at the next GE. Local elections matter as a barometer, but it's the GE which will be uppermost in the thoughts at Central Office. Make no mistake that it is there that the decision will be made.

I don't think he has any chance of recovering. The only question is when, not if, he will be replaced before the GE. Now or later.

The bigger question is by whom? Gove is about as attractive a replacement as Brown was after Blair. Sunak untested under pressure. The Tories need to win the next election and not risk a hung Parliament, which looks a distinct possibility if they continue on the same track. Adopting a more conciliatory attitude with the EU could assist that, whilst risking nothing. There is no UKIP or Brexit Party breathing down their neck now. So we could yet be very surprised at whom they choose to draw a line under populism and move the Party back onto morally defensible political ground.

Gove does a good job wherever he goes though.

 

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