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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 12 Jan 22 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Boris Johnson has in the past been described as a "greased albino piglet". He might well be cornered in a cul-de-sac with the butchers whetting their knives.

This is the gravest,most serious crisis he has faced since becoming PM.

Edited by Willo (12 Jan 2022 10.20am)

And all not only preventable but proof of a moronic hubris that beggars belief.

He has to go after this. I confess that when these stories started, I just dismissed them and assumed that Johnson would ride it out, just like he always has. But now...he has to go because he is clearly as thick as s***. Anybody who thought this kind of event was A: A good idea and B: Would not be exposed is simply not fit to run a bath, let alone a country.

Why on earth would anybody have even considered such a crass and offensive act when people could not say goodbye to loved ones on their death beds, nor attend funerals, were canceling weddings and prevented from seeing their friends? And yet they all decide to enjoy some drinks and nibbles with each other? It was a staggeringly stupid decision.

This goes beyond party politics, it really does.

 


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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 12 Jan 22 8.11pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A populist government would restore the death penalty just because they knew it would be popular, whilst in their hearts knowing it was morally indefensible.

Why is it 'morally indefensible'.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Jan 22 8.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not at all.

The majority always wins. Referendums are not though part of our democracy. Parliament is sovereign and only it can act.

There were legitimate reasons to protest the way the Brexit process unfolded, to demand that the revelations of the security forces be taken seriously. Election laws were broken.

No referendum on such a crucial issue is binding on a UK Parliament. Parliament had the power to act, but failed to do so, even though their collective judgement was in favour of staying in,

So the 52:48 majority is not the issue. It's a red herring. It's the use of a referendum by a populist government and the failure of Parliament, especially by the opposition leader Corbyn, to stand up and be counted which is.

Brexit was a failure of British democracy. Not a triumph.

You portray the UK being in the eu since its inception as a country. We were in for 40 odd years the UK is 1000s of years old. A change is as good as a rest and we are resting from all the red tape.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jan 22 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This spectacularly misses the point. Whilst every politician needs to be aware of public reaction and put a positive spin on things that doesn't mean all policies are populist.

Populism is far from a "ridiculous phrase". That's just an excuse. Populism is a political reality. We have seen it in both the USA and in the UK. Whilst responsible, moral, politicians lead, populists follow. They adopt policies that win them elections and keep them in power, even when they know they harm the people they serve. It is not necessarily a right wing phenomenon, although in recent experience it has come from the right. Leftish populism is perfectly possible.

A populist government would restore the death penalty just because they knew it would be popular, whilst in their hearts knowing it was morally indefensible.

Populism is morally bankrupt and a very dangerous road for any democratic country to take. The sooner it is abandoned the better. Maybe Johnson's removal will pave a new road ahead.

It's just a word used by people like you to decry a majority opinion that differs from their minority opinion.

You can spin all you like.

I have no idea why you use such a stupid example as the death penalty, as I doubt the majority would be in favour of it in 2022.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Jan 22 8.29pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's just a word used by people like you to decry a majority opinion that differs from their minority opinion.

You can spin all you like.

I have no idea why you use such a stupid example as the death penalty, as I doubt the majority would be in favour of it in 2022.

That would depend on the crime and proof of commiting said crime really.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 22 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Why is it 'morally indefensible'.

I am not a Christian, but we all live in a country in which our morality has been established by Christian values.

Christians are commanded not to kill. To do so is morally indefensible in any circumstances.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 22 10.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

And all not only preventable but proof of a moronic hubris that beggars belief.

He has to go after this. I confess that when these stories started, I just dismissed them and assumed that Johnson would ride it out, just like he always has. But now...he has to go because he is clearly as thick as s***. Anybody who thought this kind of event was A: A good idea and B: Would not be exposed is simply not fit to run a bath, let alone a country.

Why on earth would anybody have even considered such a crass and offensive act when people could not say goodbye to loved ones on their death beds, nor attend funerals, were canceling weddings and prevented from seeing their friends? And yet they all decide to enjoy some drinks and nibbles with each other? It was a staggeringly stupid decision.

This goes beyond party politics, it really does.

I agree. I am just glad that others are now realising what a plonker this man really is.

He is living evidence that you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

His time is up. Give him his hat and a Boris bike to anywhere but Downing St.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Online Flag 12 Jan 22 10.55pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Nope. No way Boris is going anywhere soon. They’re now rallying round him. Laughable I know. But fact. He won’t be walking. Not sure he’s all there.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 22 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's just a word used by people like you to decry a majority opinion that differs from their minority opinion.

You can spin all you like.

I have no idea why you use such a stupid example as the death penalty, as I doubt the majority would be in favour of it in 2022.

I have given a reasoned explanation of what populism involves. There's no "spin" there at all. You just don't like being presented with uncomfortable facts.

I used the death penalty example because it's one where there has traditionally been a wide gap between what the public want and what the politicians deliver. In the UK the support for the death penalty was as high as 65% in favour less than a decade ago but has since declined to below 50%. So a populist government now would not introduce it, whilst 10 years ago they may well have done. Those decisions not based on any moral judgements of right, or wrong, but solely on delivering what is popular, which in turn keeps them in power. This isn't leadership. It's pandering to popular opinion. Which is a foolish way to run a country.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 12 Jan 22 11.35pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

And all not only preventable but proof of a moronic hubris that beggars belief.

He has to go after this. I confess that when these stories started, I just dismissed them and assumed that Johnson would ride it out, just like he always has. But now...he has to go because he is clearly as thick as s***. Anybody who thought this kind of event was A: A good idea and B: Would not be exposed is simply not fit to run a bath, let alone a country.

Why on earth would anybody have even considered such a crass and offensive act when people could not say goodbye to loved ones on their death beds, nor attend funerals, were canceling weddings and prevented from seeing their friends? And yet they all decide to enjoy some drinks and nibbles with each other? It was a staggeringly stupid decision.

This goes beyond party politics, it really does.

Well done. Regardless of political persuasion, if some are so aligned with a party that they're willing to look the other way when something as utterly disgraceful as this takes place, then they may as well just confess that they've been brainwashed beyond the point of principle.

I can't see myself voting for any major party next election, but even if I had considered voting for this lot, there would be no way I'd be doing it now. Or at minimum all of those who were knocking back drinks at their endless 'works events' while others had to let their loved ones die alone and were not allowed to attend their funerals would have to go.


 

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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 12 Jan 22 11.39pm Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

The most likely source for all these shenanigans is Cummings. Boris may appear to be a buffoon, but you don't get to achieve what he has done, in political life, by being stupid. Can you possibly imagine the dirt he has on others within his party and I guess that is why his cabinet are circling the wagons. Labour have finally got him on the ropes and I am expecting that they call for a series of public inquiries, chaired by retired Labour mp's to investigate. I hope he calls a snap General Election. If the Conservatives lose he skips into private life with the prospect of millions at his finger tips, from writing his memoirs etc and if they win, well adieu to the Labour party. Win win for Boris, lose lose for conservatives and labour.

 

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View Wilesy01's Profile Wilesy01 Flag Bristol 12 Jan 22 11.45pm Send a Private Message to Wilesy01 Add Wilesy01 as a friend

All Tory MSPs are backing their leader Douglas Ross in asking the PM to resign.

At a time where the SNP are clamouring for a second Indy ref do the conservatives really want that sort of disunity north of the border?

Jacob Rees Mogg calling Ross a 'lightweight' on Newsnight is hardly going to help things either! Is Johnson really more important than any of the long term aspects of the party or the Union?!

 

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