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 Matov  24 Jan 22 11.06pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
This contains an alleged satellite image of Russian forces on the Belarussian border - 10,000 troops and increasing daily. Edited by Ouzo Dan (24 Jan 2022 10.56pm) Firstly, the 'Zapad' stuff. LOL. Very droll. But the Atlantic Council? Really? Its globalisation central. If the Russians were truly building up to an invasion capability then we would be bombarded with daily photos. And the Russians would be showing all kinds of footage as well. Populations have to be prepared for a war, especially one that threatens lots of casulties. I might well be proved very, very, wrong but I just simply cannot see anything else other than an attempt at creating hysteria for no real reason. The Ukranian Government is rotten to the core. Simply not worth either invading nor defending.
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| Ouzo Dan 24 Jan 22 11.24pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Firstly, the 'Zapad' stuff. LOL. Very droll. But the Atlantic Council? Really? Its globalisation central. If the Russians were truly building up to an invasion capability then we would be bombarded with daily photos. And the Russians would be showing all kinds of footage as well. Populations have to be prepared for a war, especially one that threatens lots of casulties. I might well be proved very, very, wrong but I just simply cannot see anything else other than an attempt at creating hysteria for no real reason. The Ukranian Government is rotten to the core. Simply not worth either invading nor defending. We will see in the coming days/weeks I have been going on about this for well over a year & I hope im wrong but im telling you troops building up literally hours away from Kyiv is a red flag we should be paying attention to. Putin has said more than once he would love to get the band back together and form a new Soviet Union I dont think he can realistically get much further than the Polish border, however look at the state of the world is in at the minute, we have a house plant for a US president who with his hand picked generals have already demonstrated how grossly incompetent they were in Afghanistan. Europe is far from united over Ukraine and Germany (who receive over 30% of their oil & gas from Russia) wants absolutely nothing to do with it, going so far as denying the UK a flight path over Germany to deliver anti tank missiles to Ukraine. The World is utterly broke and most people are demoralised and rioting in their respective cities over covid restrictions. Its likely Putin wont have a better chance than now to go for it & if he does it will be far quicker than anything the West can put together to counter it.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jan 22 4.20am |
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If Putin invades that would be the logical opportunity for China to attack Taiwan if they were going to.....but I've heard nothing about that. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2022 4.21am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jan 22 8.57am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Really, after their abject performance in Afghanistan, retreating before a motley group of thugs, you wonder how the west could organise a vicarage tea party let alone an armed conflict against Russia.
We know you would be rooting for Russia. There can be no direct conflict between the superpowers. It will only end one way.
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| silvertop Portishead 25 Jan 22 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Personally I think Putin is the most astute politican of the 21st century. And he puts Russia first. A true leader. Listen/watch his speeches. No Russian ever dropped a bomb on London. Or blew themselves up on a tube train. Why would we want to risk a single British soldier to defend a nation like Ukraine which is effectively a failed state, rotten with a corruption that beggars belief at times. We are fed lie after lie about the threat Russia poses when the reality is that the West has broken promise after promise it made to Russia and is trying to control how it sells its gas. My understanding is that Russia sends most of its gas exports to the West via a pipe line through Ukraine. And it wishes to change that with the US wanting to stop that happening for a whole variety of reasons. If we end up in any kind of shooting war with Russia then I am on the streets protesting because it will be a manufactuered conflict, deliberately set off by a US regime that has been bought, lock stock and barrel. To be honest Matov, the history of the West's relationship with the East has always been deeply complex but bloody interesting. So many cogs and pullies and inter-related moving parts. Try getting that out in a news feed. If the wins in Brexit and the last general election are not sufficient proof that the public have an appetite and patience for no more than three word strap lines repeated ad nauseum, what chance providing a more rounded explanation of the current tensions. Obviously it is biased in favour of our own model and a more respectful and positive spin on Russia's governance and our hypocrisy would be appreciated e.g. I would be amazed if western intelligence agencies have not gone into sovereign states and bumped off "undesirables" Edited by silvertop (25 Jan 2022 10.27am) Edited by silvertop (25 Jan 2022 10.28am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jan 22 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Firstly, the 'Zapad' stuff. LOL. Very droll. But the Atlantic Council? Really? Its globalisation central. If the Russians were truly building up to an invasion capability then we would be bombarded with daily photos. And the Russians would be showing all kinds of footage as well. Populations have to be prepared for a war, especially one that threatens lots of casulties. I might well be proved very, very, wrong but I just simply cannot see anything else other than an attempt at creating hysteria for no real reason. The Ukranian Government is rotten to the core. Simply not worth either invading nor defending. I wonder if someone said that about Poland in '39. Let's remember that Russia's ambitions have been kept at bay by the bomb. Anyone who trusts Putin would have probably thought that Hitler was a good bloke in the '30s.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Jan 22 12.15pm |
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Without a shot being fired or any troop movements the US and UK withdraw their diplomats. How encouraging for the west. Or the west minus Ukraine and the other NATO members.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jan 22 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I wonder if someone said that about Poland in '39. Let's remember that Russia's ambitions have been kept at bay by the bomb. Anyone who trusts Putin would have probably thought that Hitler was a good bloke in the '30s. Sure Putin isn't a good guy. But perhaps it's also true that he doesn't want rainbow flags flying over his military bases and transgender story hour in his schools. I see the sense in Ukraine being neutral and kept out of Nato.....there is far too much distrust. A war that's completely unnecessary and avoidable. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2022 12.21pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jan 22 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure Putin isn't a good guy. But perhaps it's also true that he doesn't want rainbow flags flying over his military bases and transgender story hour in his schools. I see the sense in Ukraine being neutral and kept out of Nato.....there is far too much distrust. A war that's completely unnecessary and avoidable. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2022 12.21pm) I think Putin uses propaganda that he knows will be divisive. The fact that Putin is prepared to invade a neighbour tells you that he cannot be trusted. The West needs to contain his ambitions while tempering their own. Negotiation is the only way forward, and with the Ukraine recognizing that its best and safest role in this is to be a buffer.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Jan 22 12.46pm |
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After the Crimea annexation in 2014 citizens merely changed the last part of their addresses to Russia and carried on as before. They are predominately Russian anyway and voted 90% in favour of being so. A sweeping modern bridge to the Crimea was built opened by Putin (driving a lorry) and his mates completely by-passing NATO and sanctions.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jan 22 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think Putin uses propaganda that he knows will be divisive. The fact that Putin is prepared to invade a neighbour tells you that he cannot be trusted. The West needs to contain his ambitions while tempering their own. Negotiation is the only way forward, and with the Ukraine recognizing that its best and safest role in this is to be a buffer. I'd pretty much agree with most of that.....though like Farage I think Nato are as much to blame as Putin. No more brother wars.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jan 22 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'd pretty much agree with most of that.....though like Farage I think Nato are as much to blame as Putin. No more brother wars. There is always the game between us and Russia, but an invasion of a sovereign country is wholly unacceptable under any circumstances.
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