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 Stirlingsays  11 Feb 22 1.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope you change your mind, as you will be missed. Although to be honest I can understand it. I can accept differences of opinion on Brexit and how best to deal with the pandemic, lockdowns and vaccinations. Even if I believe those determined to not co-operate deserve to be treated as pariahs and extended no sympathy. I can accept other political viewpoints too. What I find very difficult to stomach is anyone who has even a touch of sympathy for the nauseous "great replacement theory" and political movements, like "Patriotic Alternative", whose policies subscribe to it. A previous reply to you encouraged readers to read their plan. I hope they did. It can be found here:- [Link] You can read the Wiki entry on PA here:- [Link] I find some of their ideas shocking. The statement on who are British, especially so. If they have tried to register as a political party, and been refused, I am unsurprised, as this is a clearly illegal position. This is racism. I don't want it anywhere near me, or have any contact with it. Whilst I am pretty disgusted to see anyone here expressing support for these views I am gratified that the echo chamber for them is very limited, although I would be happier to read outright condemnations. Whatever our politics might be, no-one truly British, or patriotic, thinks like this. The guy who literally defended the Police response to the decades of grooming gang rapes is disgusted by ancestral rights to land. By the way I literally posted PA's plans in my previous reply to Bluejay....kind of shows you didn't read it. As for Wikipedia that's well know to be edited by leftist activists. Ancestral rights to land for Europe as a right was defended by the Dalai Lama a matter of a few years back. He also sees Tibetans being turned into a minority....replaced by the Han in Tibet. Ancestral rights to land is recognised as just in New Zealand for the Maori.. No one there talks about being disgusted.....Though the Moari have actually been in New Zealand for considerably less time than the native British of today have on our island.....initial settlement of New Zealand occurring around 1280. If something disgusts the likes of you WE it just confirms that it's on the right track. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 9.58am)
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 11 Feb 22 5.28am |
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There is a separate thread on Cressida Dick. I think the timing of her getting out, nicely swerves any potential conflicts of interest that may develop from BJ's work/social activities. It also preserves what credibility she has left, and her lovely massive police pension. Would I want a pi553d-up imbecile in charge of the UK military if things get nasty in Ukraine ?
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Feb 22 8.30am |
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Also posted this in the corona virus thread "UP to £4billion of Covid loans and grants swindled by fraudsters will be written off, MPs say. In a scathing report, the MPs warn the soft touch approach sends the wrong message to criminals as well as cheating honest taxpayers. It is a blow to Chancellor Rishi Sunak, already under pressure over Covid cash fraud The Public Accounts Committee took aim at HMRC’s “unambitious plans” for recovering £6billion it paid incorrectly. It says the taxman expects to recover as little as £2billion — and will take years to get through the backlog. Dame Meg Hillier MP, head of the committee, said: “We can ill-afford to be so cavalier over so much taxpayers’ money.
Who are these criminals that took money ? Let me guess,...
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Feb 22 9.17am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I hope you change your mind, as you will be missed. Although to be honest I can understand it. I can accept differences of opinion on Brexit and how best to deal with the pandemic, lockdowns and vaccinations. Even if I believe those determined to not co-operate deserve to be treated as pariahs and extended no sympathy. I can accept other political viewpoints too. What I find very difficult to stomach is anyone who has even a touch of sympathy for the nauseous "great replacement theory" and political movements, like "Patriotic Alternative", whose policies subscribe to it. A previous reply to you encouraged readers to read their plan. I hope they did. It can be found here:- [Link] You can read the Wiki entry on PA here:- [Link] I find some of their ideas shocking. The statement on who are British, especially so. If they have tried to register as a political party, and been refused, I am unsurprised, as this is a clearly illegal position. This is racism. I don't want it anywhere near me, or have any contact with it. Whilst I am pretty disgusted to see anyone here expressing support for these views I am gratified that the echo chamber for them is very limited, although I would be happier to read outright condemnations. Whatever our politics might be, no-one truly British, or patriotic, thinks like this. What you mean is that you would rather everyone buries their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. We have a Tory government who pretends to be tough on mass immigration and yet allows it to carry on year on year. Meanwhile, people complain about housing shortages, crime, racism, low wages and traffic congestion. All directly related to mass immigration. I eagerly await the 2021 census results this spring. I wonder how you and the government will try to spin the results. Perhaps they will come up with some new definitions for immigrants to make them sound more British.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 22 10.25am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The guy who literally defended the Police response to the decades of grooming gang rapes is disgusted by ancestral rights to land. By the way I literally posted PA's plans in my previous reply to Bluejay....kind of shows you didn't read it. As for Wikipedia that's well know to be edited by leftist activists. Ancestral rights to land for Europe as a right was defended by the Dalai Lama a matter of a few years back. He also sees Tibetans being turned into a minority....replaced by the Han in Tibet. Ancestral rights to land is recognised as just in New Zealand for the Maori.. No one there talks about being disgusted.....Though the Moari have actually been in New Zealand for considerably less time than the native British of today have on our island.....initial settlement of New Zealand occurring around 1280. If something disgust the likes of you WE it just confirms that it's on the right track. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 1.24am) Whataboutism is never a defence. It is a poor excuse offered by the desperate. When it repeats, like a brainless parrot, accusations that have been patiently corrected and explained as being untrue, it is beyond poor. It is pathetic. Of course I read it. If my own reply was read, and understood properly, that would be obvious. I included it again for the convenience of those who might have missed it and to save them the need to trawl back through posts. Attempting to justify what is thought we must do in our country, because of what happens elsewhere, which offer no actual parallels, is as thin a reason as is possible to imagine. We aren't Tibet, who have been dominated by a massively bigger neighbour. We aren't New Zealand where both incoming groups have agreed to share their new land. Both groups are incomers with different cultures and traditions, but they respect one another. Neither tries to dominate. Anyone having seen that at first hand, as I have, understands that. It's impressive. It's not divisive, like the PA ideas. It's creating a harmony from two different instruments. There is a great deal we can learn from them. "Patriotic Alternative" are neither patriotic nor an alternative. They are a divisive racist cult whose ideas have no place in our country.
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| georgenorman 11 Feb 22 10.32am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whataboutism is never a defence. It is a poor excuse offered by the desperate. When it repeats, like a brainless parrot, accusations that have been patiently corrected and explained as being untrue, it is beyond poor. It is pathetic. Of course I read it. If my own reply was read, and understood properly, that would be obvious. I included it again for the convenience of those who might have missed it and to save them the need to trawl back through posts. Attempting to justify what is thought we must do in our country, because of what happens elsewhere, which offer no actual parallels, is as thin a reason as is possible to imagine. We aren't Tibet, who have been dominated by a massively bigger neighbour. We aren't New Zealand where both incoming groups have agreed to share their new land. Both groups are incomers with different cultures and traditions, but they respect one another. Neither tries to dominate. Anyone having seen that at first hand, as I have, understands that. It's impressive. It's not divisive, like the PA ideas. It's creating a harmony from two different instruments. There is a great deal we can learn from them. "Patriotic Alternative" are neither patriotic nor an alternative. They are a divisive racist cult whose ideas have no place in our country. Sitting Bull would have said that you speak with forked tongue.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Feb 22 10.34am |
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I won't reply, as I don't wish to be banned. I'll leave his justifications where they are.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 22 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What you mean is that you would rather everyone buries their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. We have a Tory government who pretends to be tough on mass immigration and yet allows it to carry on year on year. Meanwhile, people complain about housing shortages, crime, racism, low wages and traffic congestion. All directly related to mass immigration. I eagerly await the 2021 census results this spring. I wonder how you and the government will try to spin the results. Perhaps they will come up with some new definitions for immigrants to make them sound more British. Nobody should ever bury their head in the sand! However, they also need to see things as they really are, and not as they either imagine they are, or as those with thinly disguised racist attitudes want them to believe they are. "Patriotic Alternative" are one of the latter groups. They present a distorted picture of a dystopian future that has been twisted by assumptions that are simply untrue. For all the reasons I have explained in previous posts, and won't repeat again. Managing both the level of immigration and the way we absorb new citizens into British society is both a challenge and a heavy responsibility. Maintaining our traditions and culture is very important, on that we can all agree. New citizens must be expected to accept and embrace them. Most do, but we need to work harder, and in innovative ways, to bring everyone into the fold. My own approach on how we handle religious beliefs is mainly based on this need. This is the positive way to deal with these challenges. PA's way is never going to work, and would only result in chaos.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Feb 22 11.25am |
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We see this focus from leftists/centralists on PA, mainly because they are growing and reject their globalism/global village politics. The funding and power of the state and corporations pitted against those not willing to nod along to the destruction and demonisation of their ancestry are massive. I just write occassional posts on a forum yet I had the Police sent to my door....we are no longer the free country I was raised in....What you think is now a politically enforceable matter. That use to be something we would criticise of other countries. This is just what the elites want and all the documentation is available to those interested from the UN's replacement migration policy, to restrictions on media to the 'hate speech laws' and 'equality laws'. Collectively it's designed to shut people up and compromise any political response. Again, western social conservatism never did this to their ideologies when they were considered socially unacceptable...and that's really an insight into the measure of that kind of person. However, like I said, their attacks are ineffective as the conditions create the response and demographic change is that condition. So over time it's pointless....words on a page. Cheap like words are, the actions are inevitable because they will be driven by real world factors. National/global economic levelers, crime rates, the significant growth of demographics of adults of differing cultural identities will determine what happens. People will rationalise and find forms of language to justify whatever they do in life. However as the demographic map shows people will move to areas of similar culture, which will (not always) follow racial lines, though it's significant even now. ..all of that is just human nature. I get annoyed by the sheer double standards and hippy like empathy arguments....as if that ultimately means anything to practice actions. Anyway once we get regional Islamic representation separate from parliament the timeline hastens....I'd say that's no more than twenty to thirty years away....it's a numbers game, assimilation didn't work, it never works on large population scales....Those same arguments were being made in the sixties long before the terrorist attacks, kneeing and BLM. It would be nice and actually democratic if rejection of what's happening could be given a political voice in my country....but it doesn't really matter, because it's all set anyway.....I won't be here to see it but it matters to me. But states within states is a coming reality and it depresses me...but at least I spoke up. You can run on for a long time....run on for a long time...run on for a long time....sooner of later it'll cut you down. Figurately of course.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Feb 22 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nobody should ever bury their head in the sand! However, they also need to see things as they really are, and not as they either imagine they are, or as those with thinly disguised racist attitudes want them to believe they are. "Patriotic Alternative" are one of the latter groups. They present a distorted picture of a dystopian future that has been twisted by assumptions that are simply untrue. For all the reasons I have explained in previous posts, and won't repeat again. Managing both the level of immigration and the way we absorb new citizens into British society is both a challenge and a heavy responsibility. Maintaining our traditions and culture is very important, on that we can all agree. New citizens must be expected to accept and embrace them. Most do, but we need to work harder, and in innovative ways, to bring everyone into the fold. My own approach on how we handle religious beliefs is mainly based on this need. This is the positive way to deal with these challenges. PA's way is never going to work, and would only result in chaos.
Who is the extremist? Someone who bases their truth on ideology like you, or someone who extrapolates a prediction using science? You keep talking about 'absorbing'. Let me promise you that at current rates, that will only increase, when you are outnumbered 10 to 1 on the planet, it will be your genetic brothers and sisters who will be absorbed.
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cryrst  The garden of England 11 Feb 22 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Who is the extremist? Someone who bases their truth on ideology like you, or someone who extrapolates a prediction using science? You keep talking about 'absorbing'. Let me promise you that at current rates, that will only increase, when you are outnumbered 10 to 1 on the planet, it will be your genetic brothers and sisters who will be absorbed. Pump up the volume. Think about it
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Feb 22 12.48pm |
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Tories obviously doing something right.
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