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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 23 May 22 1.35pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

The Rouble is currently at a 4 year high against the US dollar.

Something is very, very wrong with the narrative we are being fed here in the West.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 May 22 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

The Rouble is currently at a 4 year high against the US dollar.

Something is very, very wrong with the narrative we are being fed here in the West.

I believe this is a result of many bending to the will of the energy suppliers including paying with Rubles however will admit complete ignorance here and leave the way for others better informed to comment.

On a separate note I very much thought it was Ruble, not Rouble, any takers?

 


Here's to you the famous red and blue.....

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 23 May 22 1.48pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

The Rouble is currently at a 4 year high against the US dollar.

Something is very, very wrong with the narrative we are being fed here in the West.

It's being propped up by policy. There is more to an economy than the current value of their currency. See where it's at in six months, as the idea that their economy (along with Ukraines of course, and to an extent Europe) hasn't taken a serious hit doesn't really tally with events. Moreover, they have essentially forced massive investment in energy independence in several European nations (as energy requirements being used as a weapon isn't much fun for anyone) so that will impact them longer term too. We'll all feel the hit of this invasion, but long term, nations have lost faith in Russia to behave in a stable or reasonable fashion and that will be a drag on them for decades to come. Perhaps new leadership will get them back on track. Hopefully we dont have to wait long to find out.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 23 May 22 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

The Rouble is currently at a 4 year high against the US dollar.

Something is very, very wrong with the narrative we are being fed here in the West.

Yeah but ra ra war because goodies and baddies.

I'm looking forward to all the other wars that we are now duty bound to enter.

Because obviously this war is only about morality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2022 1.52pm)

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 23 May 22 2.43pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

It's about the concern about what comes next if you don't. This cowering mindset that if you lay down your arms and let Russia do what they will, we'll be safer long term and avoid nuclear threats is one outlook. Some believe otherwise. On a basic level, making this easy for Russia would appear to be something that most of my 'European brothers' don't go with though. And it's at least a negotiating position and limitating factor for Russia rather than 'do what you want'. Russia clearly made a misstep, and sometimes making people realise that rather than give them a free pass to run roughshod isn't the worse idea.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 23 May 22 2.57pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

"Russia’s counsellor to the UN in Geneva has resigned over the "bloody, witless and absolutely needless" fighting in Ukraine, making him the country's most senior diplomat to defect over the war.

In a resignation letter, Boris Bondarev said he had seen "different turns" of his country's foreign policy over his 20-year career "but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on 24 February", when Russia launched its attack.

Calling the level of "lies and unprofessionalism" in Russia's Foreign Ministry "catastrophic", he said Vladimir Putin's war was "not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia".

In March, Anatoly Chubais became the most prominent Kremlin official to quit over the war. Chubais, who was Putin's special envoy for relations with international organisations for sustainable development, not only left his post, but Russia too."


An honest and factual appaisal. Who can blame the man for calling it quits.. He's of course right to add that, Russians too are victims of this disasterous move.. Even through a solely self interested lens it's horrendous.


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Siberian Pianist Jailed for ‘Nazi Propaganda’ After Playing Ukrainian Anthem - The Moscow Times - [Link]

Interesting that the streamed footage didn't appear to show him 'shouting slogans of a banned organization'. Like I said before, anyone that doesn't go with the Russian aggression is a 'neo nazi'. I prefer to keep my criticism of that type of moral degenerate to those who embody or excuse it, not those who it's applied to through acts of fantasy designed to silence them.

That's why protesters are resorting to vandalising military facilities. No civil nation throws peaceful protesters in jail (though we ourselves are heading that way). Imprisonment of protestors to the extent that Russia is behaving is a regime crying out to be toppled by its citizens.

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 May 22 3.13pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

"Russia’s counsellor to the UN in Geneva has resigned over the "bloody, witless and absolutely needless" fighting in Ukraine, making him the country's most senior diplomat to defect over the war.

In a resignation letter, Boris Bondarev said he had seen "different turns" of his country's foreign policy over his 20-year career "but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on 24 February", when Russia launched its attack.

Calling the level of "lies and unprofessionalism" in Russia's Foreign Ministry "catastrophic", he said Vladimir Putin's war was "not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia".

In March, Anatoly Chubais became the most prominent Kremlin official to quit over the war. Chubais, who was Putin's special envoy for relations with international organisations for sustainable development, not only left his post, but Russia too."


An honest and factual appaisal. Who can blame the man for calling it quits.. He's of course right to add that, Russians too are victims of this disasterous move.. Even through a solely self interested lens it's horrendous.


Edited by BlueJay (23 May 2022 2.58pm)

I'm friends with several Russians who are telling me there are personal memorials to the dead soldiers everywhere in Russia. When you hear of 10s of thousands of dead, they are people's sons, brothers, fathers etc. Mostly very young men. Every city, town and village have their dead to mourn.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 23 May 22 3.22pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm friends with several Russians who are telling me there are personal memorials to the dead soldiers everywhere in Russia. When you hear of 10s of thousands of dead, they are people's sons, brothers, fathers etc. Mostly very young men. Every city, town and village have their dead to mourn.

Yes, it's tragedy and travesty in equal measure. Sent to their deaths on the whim of a (possibly ill and certainly detached from reality) leader looking an enact his grand plan. I would like to think he can only pull the wool over the eyes of his citizens for so long. Perhaps a peace deal of sorts can let him claim some kind of small victory of sorts, but I can understand why from a Ukranian side and Russian one, with what this has cost them no-one is eager to concede anything.

 

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The rouble 'best performing currency in the world 2022' - Bloomberg.

Things will be hard for a while but there is no reason why they will miss the west in the long term.

Infinite natural resources, self-sufficiency in energy and food, the best s*x workers, Russia is virtually debt-free.

Imagine if they had Rishi Sunak or Bungle then they would worry.

The west has no backbone and is just a pile of debt, Putin has read this correctly, at our present rate we will probably end up asking Putin for a loan.

What does Russia actually lose in being sanctioned? Zilch.

Who cares about oligarchs and seized yachts, mastercard and ruinous interest rates.

What he has done though is unforgiveable and I am still working on a device to nuke him.

And I mean it.

I'll be using the new crossrail map so he had better watch out.


 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 23 May 22 7.28pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Full statement from Top Russian Diplomat Boris Bondarev:

"My name is Boris Bondarev, in the MFA of Russia since 2002, since 2019 until now — Counsellor of the Russian Mission to the UN Office at Geneva.

For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year.

The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country.

Those who conceived this war want only one thing — to remain in power forever, live in pompous tasteless palaces, sail on yachts comparable in tonnage and cost to the entire Russian Navy, enjoying unlimited power and complete impunity. To achieve that they are willing to sacrifice as many lives as it takes. Thousands of Russians and Ukrainians have already died just for this.

I regret to admit that over all these twenty years the level of lies and unprofessionalism in the work of the Foreign Ministry has been increasing all the time.

However, in most recent years, this has become simply catastrophic. Instead of unbiased information, impartial analysis and sober forecasting, there are propaganda clichés in the spirit of Soviet newspapers of the 1930s. A system has been built that deceives itself.

Minister Lavrov is a good illustration of the degradation of this system. In 18 years, he went from a professional and educated intellectual, whom many of my colleagues held in such high esteem, to a person who constantly broadcasts conflicting statements and threatens the world (that is, Russia too) with nuclear weapons!

Today, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not about diplomacy. It is all about warmongering, lies and hatred. It serves interests of few, the very few people thus contributing to further isolation and degradation of my country.

Russia no longer has allies, and there is no one to blame but its reckless and ill-conceived policy.

I studied to be a diplomat and have been a diplomat for twenty years. The Ministry has become my home and family. But I simply cannot any longer share in this bloody, witless and absolutely needless ignominy."

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 May 22 7.52pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You continue to comment upon something you know nothing about.

Your commentary here just tells me that you have a conspiracy theory about what elite theory says.

It's typical of your commentary - you aren't interested in the truth....you are only interested in protecting what you think of as the establishment.

That's pretty rich coming from someone pretends to be an expert on every subject under the sun, whilst obviously drawing their "knowledge" from dubious, highly biased sources.

I have read what elite theory proposes. I have also noted who proposes it. I reject it as misplaced from the outset. If you start in the wrong place, you are very unlikely to end up in the right one.

Just because you have a particular world view doesn't mean others cannot have another. That's the real truth. I disagree with yours as misinformed, misdirected and, ultimately, dangerous.

I have no interest in protecting the "establishment". Which is a desperately old-fashioned concept, that ceased to be relevant a long time ago. I am interested in protecting the future for the generations that will follow us and grateful that there are those trying to co-ordinate our efforts in doing so. There will always be those who seek to take advantage of the good will of others, but that is no reason to dismiss, or denigrate, the good will.

The WEF is happening right now in Davos. There's lots of coverage but this piece seems interesting:-

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