Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 08 Oct 22 5.53pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Stop reading comics Did you actually listen to Zelensky when he said preemptive sanctions? HE did ... but to be fair it was misinterpreted by the media who reported it as "preemptive strikes by NATO". It would never happen, so it was a very stupid mistake. A case of where shooting the messenger would be fully justified.
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Stirlingsays Online  08 Oct 22 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The blowing-up of the Crimea-Russia bridge could not be more profound, it was hailed as a great achievement, opened by Putin and his mates. It will hurt, what will the outcome be though. What is happening in Crimea very difficult to understand, even if the referendum was flawed it is still over 90% Russian speaking. Losing RT and the BBC and others has been very negative imo A couple of months back I was convinced that this war wouldn't see Christmas. After the pipelines were blown up that calculation has now been blown up with it. Now both sides are determined to throw everything at this and we can't avoid the consequences....obviously everyone is hoping they won't continue to mount in severity...getting through this winter and paying the bills will be hard enough. The Russians claim that the maximum delay in the transfer of military cargo by railway will be 14 hours on that bridge....how true that is, who knows. Until both Russia and the Ukraine/West have finished using their mobilisations and throwing their money and missiles we simply won't know what the result is. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2022 7.09pm)
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| Grumbles 08 Oct 22 7.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2022 12.27am)
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| Stirlingsays Online 08 Oct 22 7.19pm |
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What concerns me is that both leaderships are all in and determined to win.....whereas as I said at the start of this I don't think 'winning' is actually all that possible. I don't see a realistic positive outcome.....a defeated Russia with nukes is a bad outcome as is having no Ukraine left. I think Elon Musk was talking sense the other day but considering his treatment no one's ready to listen to common sense yet.....the attitude of March/April is still very much the mindset of the elites. If they are going to persist in throwing everything at it then it becomes a problem if one side is losing heavily because we have two nuclear states here and I've heard ridiculously irresponsible talk about nuclear usage from talking heads on both sides.
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| Stirlingsays Online 09 Oct 22 1.41pm |
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The Russians are claiming that the bomb on the Crimea bridge that killed three people wasn't a suicide bombing but that the Ukrainians had loaded the bomb onto the truck of a driver who had nothing to do with it.
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| Stirlingsays Online 09 Oct 22 1.49pm |
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I'm not aware of our mainstream media reporting on the anti war protests. When it was the middle eastern wars they were constantly showing them. But ironically our news appears little different to Russia's [Tweet Link]
Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2022 1.49pm)
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Frickin Saweet  South Cronx 10 Oct 22 10.22am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Russians are claiming that the bomb on the Crimea bridge that killed three people wasn't a suicide bombing but that the Ukrainians had loaded the bomb onto the truck of a driver who had nothing to do with it. the Russians are also claiming lots of land that isn't theirs. The footage shows a huge fireball erupting just behind - and to one side - of the truck as it begins to climb an elevated section of the bridge. "I've seen plenty of large vehicle-borne IEDs [improvised explosive devices] in my time," a former British army explosives expert told me. "This does not look like one." A more plausible explanation, he said, is a massive explosion below the bridge - probably delivered using some kind of clandestine maritime drone.
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| Ouzo Dan 10 Oct 22 9.05pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
the Russians are also claiming lots of land that isn't theirs. The footage shows a huge fireball erupting just behind - and to one side - of the truck as it begins to climb an elevated section of the bridge. "I've seen plenty of large vehicle-borne IEDs [improvised explosive devices] in my time," a former British army explosives expert told me. "This does not look like one." A more plausible explanation, he said, is a massive explosion below the bridge - probably delivered using some kind of clandestine maritime drone. Bridge was blown up by SAS/SBS trained Ukrainian operatives. Its a clear message to Putin that Ukraine can strike deep within Russian territory. Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Oct 2022 9.08pm)
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Sir James Hird  Mount Martha 10 Oct 22 10.42pm |
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"getting through this winter and paying the bills will be hard enough." Stirling, I cry for you saying that. Ehere's that stiff upper lip us Brits used to have. I was born in 1942, my Dad was shoved off to Burma, I never met him until I was 4. The Ukranians are doing it tough!
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| Stirlingsays Online 10 Oct 22 10.59pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
the Russians are also claiming lots of land that isn't theirs. So what? I don't care...this isn't my war. I mean I care about Europeans killing each other but this is a slav war so I would give humanitarian aid and strengthen Nato countries. Lot of nations started out that way. We did it when we went to America and the US did it when they claimed independence from us. There are countless examples of this very same thing all through history. Yet apparently I'm meant to be outraged. If you want to cheer lead for a side cool. However, I don't play dice with someone with nuclear weapons unless they actually attack me wanting to go nuclear...that's the whole point of these weapons....Ukraine wasn't in Nato. But hey whatever, I'm resigned to it all. Anyway, the Crimea was in Russia hands up till sixty-seventy years ago and both the East and South of Ukraine have had a majority of ethnic Russians there for centuries. Once the coup happened in 2014 they simply were prepared to fight against the undemocratically elected coup.....but no one in the west gave a feck because we supported the coup. Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
The footage shows a huge fireball erupting just behind - and to one side - of the truck as it begins to climb an elevated section of the bridge. "I've seen plenty of large vehicle-borne IEDs [improvised explosive devices] in my time," a former British army explosives expert told me. "This does not look like one." A more plausible explanation, he said, is a massive explosion below the bridge - probably delivered using some kind of clandestine maritime drone. Maybe, maybe not. However, I find the idea that Russia would blow up its own bridge, which is vital in supplying their southern armies (during Ukrainian counter offensives) rather fanciful.....About as believable as thinking that they blew up their own gas pipelines when they could have just turned off the taps. Perhaps in time we might find out.....If we are still all here. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Oct 2022 11.10pm)
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| Stirlingsays Online 10 Oct 22 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Sir James Hird
"getting through this winter and paying the bills will be hard enough." Stirling, I cry for you saying that. Ehere's that stiff upper lip us Brits used to have. I was born in 1942, my Dad was shoved off to Burma, I never met him until I was 4. The Ukranians are doing it tough! Personally I'll be alright for food/water, because I've been a prepper for years now. However, I know many people won't be and will have to choose between food and heating....unless they personally want to suffer what's coming for the Ukraine then I feel for them. This war was highly avoidable, that's the conclusion I've come to and it's one of the things I find most annoying. As for the World wars of last century....the prospect of death numbers in a WW3 would make both of those totals look like a blip. As for the elites making the decisions.....honestly I'm just tired of it all. I just observe it with a mixture of disbelief and bemusement.....it's not as if any of us can do anything about it. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Oct 2022 3.27am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Oct 22 7.54am |
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I don't follow news about the war very closely so this maybe a silly question but where is the Russian air force in all this? Surely they could overpower the Ukrainian air force and even carpet bomb areas. Are they that ineffective or are they being held back by Putin and if the later will he unleash them?
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