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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 May 23 7.51pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Really the police arrests have tarnished it for me, they were protesting peacefully, worse this will happen after the coronation.

King Charles subjects would have more freedom of expression in Moscow.

I am actually a sucker for all the pageantry, pomp and circumstance, and Prince Charles I feel I grew up with him.

But I am a citizen, not a serf, and I do not wish to live in a type of authoritarian Ruritania.

I know, when I look behind the glitz, that the monarchy is not an advert for us, it is a corrupt organisation squirreling away a massive fortune by avoiding taxes, it is a mafia wit a smiling face.

Their lands and property are totally useless to the people who pay for them.

The commonwealth is turning against them.

Elizabeth II, I have seen elsewhere, should have been the last monarch, I support that view.


 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 07 May 23 8.08pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Really the police arrests have tarnished it for me, they were protesting peacefully, worse this will happen after the coronation.

King Charles subjects would have more freedom of expression in Moscow.

I am actually a sucker for all the pageantry, pomp and circumstance, and Prince Charles I feel I grew up with him.

But I am a citizen, not a serf, and I do not wish to live in a type of authoritarian Ruritania.

I know, when I look behind the glitz, that the monarchy is not an advert for us, it is a corrupt organisation squirreling away a massive fortune by avoiding taxes, it is a mafia wit a smiling face.

Their lands and property are totally useless to the people who pay for them.

The commonwealth is turning against them.

Elizabeth II, I have seen elsewhere, should have been the last monarch, I support that view.


Apparently, they only actually arrested 52 who were suspected of the intention to use rape alarms to spook the horses in the parade. The remaining one hundred or so protesters were allowed to continue their peaceful protest in Trafalgar Square.

Can you justify why the police should not have arrested people who had expressed (in public social media converstions) their intention to do this - and act which if successful could have resulted in carnage among innocent spectators?

Can you actually comprehend how much damage, and even death, that several massive, out-of-control horses can do in a panic situation?

Edited by becky (07 May 2023 8.08pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 May 23 8.24pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

You can be arrested, with the new police powers, not for committing an offence, but on grounds (what grounds they choose) that they suspect that you will do!

No horses will be present after the coronation, but the new powers will apply.

You can be arrested for peaceful protest in King Charles IIIs kingdom.


 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 07 May 23 8.33pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Apparently, they only actually arrested 52 who were suspected of the intention to use rape alarms to spook the horses in the parade. The remaining one hundred or so protesters were allowed to continue their peaceful protest in Trafalgar Square.

Can you justify why the police should not have arrested people who had expressed (in public social media converstions) their intention to do this - and act which if successful could have resulted in carnage among innocent spectators?

Can you actually comprehend how much damage, and even death, that several massive, out-of-control horses can do in a panic situation?

Edited by becky (07 May 2023 8.08pm)

And then they'd have the Animal Rights groups kicking off,...

 


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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 07 May 23 9.17pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Really the police arrests have tarnished it for me, they were protesting peacefully, worse this will happen after the coronation.

King Charles subjects would have more freedom of expression in Moscow.

I am actually a sucker for all the pageantry, pomp and circumstance, and Prince Charles I feel I grew up with him.

But I am a citizen, not a serf, and I do not wish to live in a type of authoritarian Ruritania.

I know, when I look behind the glitz, that the monarchy is not an advert for us, it is a corrupt organisation squirreling away a massive fortune by avoiding taxes, it is a mafia wit a smiling face.

Their lands and property are totally useless to the people who pay for them.

The commonwealth is turning against them.

Elizabeth II, I have seen elsewhere, should have been the last monarch, I support that view.


Perhaps, just perhaps, if the anti-everything movement hadn’t resorted recently to closing motorways, closing the Dartford Crossing Bridge, blocking traffic when people are trying to get to work etc. then maybe, just maybe, the recently introduced laws which you complain about wouldn’t have been necessary. Most sensible people could see these laws coming due to the actions of the protest groups.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 May 23 10.01pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Perhaps, just perhaps, if the anti-everything movement hadn’t resorted recently to closing motorways, closing the Dartford Crossing Bridge, blocking traffic when people are trying to get to work etc. then maybe, just maybe, the recently introduced laws which you complain about wouldn’t have been necessary. Most sensible people could see these laws coming due to the actions of the protest groups.

None of those things were present here, and even if they were it would be a small price to pay for our freedom.

The job the police should be doing, clearing up crime, they are rubbish at, you are lucky if they can even be bothered.

I used to berate the tories for cutting numbers, now they are restored I wish they had never bothered.


 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 07 May 23 10.16pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Some people are never happy.
Maybe another country should be their destination; you know the greener grass etc !

 

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 07 May 23 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

None of those things were present here, and even if they were it would be a small price to pay for our freedom.

The job the police should be doing, clearing up crime, they are rubbish at, you are lucky if they can even be bothered.

I used to berate the tories for cutting numbers, now they are restored I wish they had never bothered.


But that is the problem…the protest movement has upped the fear factor thereby necessitating action by the police to prevent possible violent or disruptive action by the protesters. Remember the innocent guy marching up the high street with the sandwich board stating that the end is nigh. He wasn’t a threat to anybody. Rape alarms, smoke bombs, megaphones are all disruptive, and just as important is designed to spoil the occasion for people who want to celebrate the event. As I stated, the protest movement’s previous actions have resulted in the new laws; it’s their own fault that they now find themselves being restricted.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 07 May 23 11.11pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

the protest movement has upped the fear factor thereby necessitating action by the police to prevent possible violent or disruptive action by the protesters.

Once you start arresting people in anticipation of what they might do rather than what they have done, you're living in the first days of a failing state. Because when you open that particular set of floodgates, history repeatedly tells you where you end up. And it's not a good place. What you describe above is simply the failure to adequately police one specific group and, rather than improve the way they're being policed, you deem it easier to just arrest anyone and everyone in case they behave the same way. Once you start doing that, abuse of such outrageous powers inevitably follows. That's anything but competent policing and it's a fast road to making society far more dangerous, not safer.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 08 May 23 5.51am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Once you start arresting people in anticipation of what they might do rather than what they have done, you're living in the first days of a failing state. Because when you open that particular set of floodgates, history repeatedly tells you where you end up. And it's not a good place. What you describe above is simply the failure to adequately police one specific group and, rather than improve the way they're being policed, you deem it easier to just arrest anyone and everyone in case they behave the same way. Once you start doing that, abuse of such outrageous powers inevitably follows. That's anything but competent policing and it's a fast road to making society far more dangerous, not safer.

I would have thought forcefully removed to eliminate the potential for disruption which could cause harm to innocent attendees was more the case. ‘Arrested’ means something different. It means they have committed a crime. The fact they needed handcuffs clearly shows how single minded the protesters were. Ironically you could use your analogy on any given recent terrorist arrest for conspiring or preparing to commit acts of terror. Would you be happy if the plod waited for the bomb, bullet or knife attack before acting just to fulfil the uman rights of said person !?

Edited by cryrst (08 May 2023 5.54am)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 May 23 7.27am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Perhaps, just perhaps, if the anti-everything movement hadn’t resorted recently to closing motorways, closing the Dartford Crossing Bridge, blocking traffic when people are trying to get to work etc. then maybe, just maybe, the recently introduced laws which you complain about wouldn’t have been necessary. Most sensible people could see these laws coming due to the actions of the protest groups.

They will have their day in court.

The Republican protestors claims that the Lock On devices were simply to hold the placards in place. Well that should be simple to prove. These days protestors have lock on devices that cannot be simply cut and the police need specialist equipment to free protestors who have chained themselves to something.

If they are carrying those type then I don't believe them nor will a court. If on the another hand they were carrying a piece of string or a fabric strap that can be cut easily then I think they have a point.

I also note that the leader was held for 16 hours before being released. Funny that, what happened to the police arresting eco protestors in the morning and they were back protesting in the afternoon. So when the police want to they can make it difficult.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 08 May 23 8.19am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I would have thought forcefully removed to eliminate the potential for disruption which could cause harm to innocent attendees was more the case. ‘Arrested’ means something different. It means they have committed a crime. The fact they needed handcuffs clearly shows how single minded the protesters were. Ironically you could use your analogy on any given recent terrorist arrest for conspiring or preparing to commit acts of terror. Would you be happy if the plod waited for the bomb, bullet or knife attack before acting just to fulfil the uman rights of said person !?

Edited by cryrst (08 May 2023 5.54am)

Lefties like him always stick up for the criminal because it suits their obsessive anti-Tory agenda. In response to people being sent to prison, they'll retort that more should be done to prevent crime rather than banging people up. Well here we have a perfect example of a crime prevention exercise.

As an aside, I personally know people who went to London on Saturday who would have had no hesitation in "taking out" troublemakers ie by taking the law into their own hands, and I suspect many, many people there would have been similar. I therefore praise the police for removing the intended protesters to a safe place for their own protection.

 


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