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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Sep 22 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I think what is too far right is an interesting and valid question just as it is on the left.

The left will always try to reduce that window so that essentially anyone on the right who believes in social conservatism is essentially a Hitler supporter....it isn't an honest or very bright approach but it's worked for them....and that's all they care about. Unfortunately the Tories adapted to this by throwing away social conservatism for social/neo liberalism.

For me the excesses of the right or left can be circumvented by a commitment to certain core beliefs. First among them would be a commitment to free speech. Second to that would be a restraint on political persecution by the state and its proxies....neoliberalism is failing on both these fronts.

Essentially I suppose I'm arguing for social conservatism without the overt authoritarianism.

Of course on the wider scale, as in what's happening in Europe right now none of us get an influence. The rise of the right won't be down to a sudden desire to reject neoliberalism so much as a reflection of the disastrous political and economic choices that globalist minded governments have took over covid, Ukraine and the immigration/crime rate. Even their control of the media can't save them from the ballot box.

What forms the right will take in individual countries will reflect the nature of the right wing there......so in Sweden half of the right is pretty tame whereas in Italy most of the right actually have some balls.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2022 2.14pm)

Essentially my stance (BOLD).

Agree completely with first paragraph, in fact most if not all of it, and essentially, without giving the expected examples, 'too far right' for me would constitute an extreme version of a more socially conservative government as we have witnessed in various sectors of the globe historically. I think it noticeable to say my raising concerns about the far right felt necessary for being labelled as such purely for criticism of the left.

As it stands, I believe it when I say things have swung too far left and that has led to far too much 'nonsense' in my eyes and I see any 'right' taking an equidistant stance from the center as being just as disastrous. I believe both to be either side of the same coin in terms of their motivation for taking a more extreme stance but also in their capability to cause mayhem.

My political position could arguably slightly right of center but occasionally slightly left too, depends on what makes most sense to me. For me, those who tie themselves rigidly into a political identity often do so as they are unhappy in themselves and want to change the world around them as opposed to looking to improve self. They just lack the metal or cognitive capability to do so. That for me sums up the left quite accurately these days.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 15 Sep 22 2.48pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Sorry I meant 7.8 millions app.

I was thinking of my electricity bill.


Gosh! So you've volunteered to not have it capped by the Conservative government. I admire such a principled stand.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 22 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Essentially my stance (BOLD).

Agree completely with first paragraph, in fact most if not all of it, and essentially, without giving the expected examples, 'too far right' for me would constitute an extreme version of a more socially conservative government as we have witnessed in various sectors of the globe historically. I think it noticeable to say my raising concerns about the far right felt necessary for being labelled as such purely for criticism of the left.

As it stands, I believe it when I say things have swung too far left and that has led to far too much 'nonsense' in my eyes and I see any 'right' taking an equidistant stance from the center as being just as disastrous. I believe both to be either side of the same coin in terms of their motivation for taking a more extreme stance but also in their capability to cause mayhem.

My political position could arguably slightly right of center but occasionally slightly left too, depends on what makes most sense to me. For me, those who tie themselves rigidly into a political identity often do so as they are unhappy in themselves and want to change the world around them as opposed to looking to improve self. They just lack the metal or cognitive capability to do so. That for me sums up the left quite accurately these days.

I don't think that's going to help you.

You don't get to define you, they get to define you and what the truth is matters less than what they think of you.

The practical experience has been a reducing of the window of acceptable right wing opinions and the new 'online' bill is another opportunity for political authoritarianism and abuse by the neoliberal establishment.

One of the tricks that the left pulled off was to plant the idea that authoritarianism is a right wing concept....when history teaches that it can be a feature of any political philosophy.

As things seem set to continue it will eventually make sense to just shut up and let them have their manufactured consent while we remain in the country.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Sep 22 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think that's going to help you.

You don't get to define you, they get to define you and what the truth is matters less than what they think of you.

The practical experience has been a reducing of the window of acceptable right wing opinions and the new 'online' bill is another opportunity for political authoritarianism and abuse by the neoliberal establishment.

One of the tricks that the left pulled off was to plant the idea that authoritarianism is a right wing concept....when history teaches that it can be a feature of any political philosophy.

As things seem set to continue it will eventually make sense to just shut up and let them have their manufactured consent while we remain in the country.

Yeah again agree with all of that.

In terms of it 'helping me' I am not actively pursuing to change the world as it is beyond musing with fellow Palace supporters really, for however long we can do that, it's just my two cents. The sensible thing is now only to speak when safe which is rarely in most scenarios as anything you do say can amount to 'dissent' through a variety of distortions. Glazier#1's hysertics being a prime example.

If we ever needed proof that Soviet history is understudied it's that of authoritarianism being a 'right' owned philosophy. As mentioned previously it is either side of the same coin no matter who is enforcing it. That was sort of my argument when I stated they both amount to the same thing just in different clothes really and I utterly reject that coercion no matter how it presents itself. That was also what I was attempting to articulate when I stated that a victory for a 'far-right' party would not be progression however I fear that the likelihood of that happening will become more and more so with Sweden just being a start as far-left ideology has taken a grip. For every action there is an equal and opposite...

Edited by Nicholas91 (15 Sep 2022 3.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's Bertrand Russell.

Ok thanks for puting me right.

 

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yeah again agree with all of that.

In terms of it 'helping me' I am not actively pursuing to change the world as it is beyond musing with fellow Palace supporters really, for however long we can do that, it's just my two cents. The sensible thing is now only to speak when safe which is rarely in most scenarios as anything you do say can amount to 'dissent' through a variety of distortions. Glazier#1's hysertics being a prime example.

If we ever needed proof that Soviet history is understudied it's that of authoritarianism being a 'right' owned philosophy. As mentioned previously it is either side of the same coin no matter who is enforcing it. That was sort of my argument when I stated they both amount to the same thing just in different clothes really and I utterly reject that coercion no matter how it presents itself. That was also what I was attempting to articulate when I stated that a victory for a 'far-right' party would not be progression however I fear that the likelihood of that happening will become more and more so with Sweden just being a start as far-left ideology has taken a grip. For every action there is an equal and opposite...

Edited by Nicholas91 (15 Sep 2022 3.25pm)

STOP TALKING ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK!!!!!!!!

Lol

 

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Originally posted by YT

Gosh! So you've volunteered to not have it capped by the Conservative government. I admire such a principled stand.

It could be better actually, since the cost which they are trying to hide, I've seen estimates between £150 - 200 millions paid for by taxation or future bills.

It's a fossil fuel ransom payment.

'There's no such thing as a free lunch'.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Sep 22 5.15pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the Right will try to repair the broken Sweden. Too little too late.

if they try to implement Right-wing levels of taxation & welfare there will be a Civil War up there.

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

It could be better actually, since the cost which they are trying to hide, I've seen estimates between £150 - 200 millions paid for by taxation or future bills.

It's a fossil fuel ransom payment.

'There's no such thing as a free lunch'.

Itís not a fossil fuel; oil is mineral.
The lowest ever fossil was 16000 feet. The highest oil was 26000 feet.í
What happens in the middle if they donít meet?

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

It could be better actually, since the cost which they are trying to hide, I've seen estimates between £150 - 200 millions paid for by taxation or future bills.

It's a fossil fuel ransom payment.

'There's no such thing as a free lunch'.

What could be better, who is trying to hide what costs, what is the 150-200 million?

 


When the veneer of civility cracks and the abuse starts....sit back, smile and enjoy a point at Anfield

He reaching for the pocket....and it's a long overdue yellow

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Andrew Lawrence take on the Sweden election.

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Edited by georgenorman (17 Sep 2022 9.26am)

 

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