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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'If it's an echo chamber then how comes you are allowed to post?'

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag The garden of England 14 Sep 22 7.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

When I wrote 'echo chamber', I mean simply where everybody agrees with everybody else.

Isn't that what it means? Where everybody just echoes what everyone else is saying?

You are sooo wrong. Clearly you haven’t been reading on here very long. The covid thread will put you in the picture. Then there is the war in Ukraine thread. Just two where as you say ‘right wingers’ have opposite opinions but strangely there is no name calling or labelling. My line of agree to disagree actually fits in those threads !!!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Sep 22 7.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Glazier#1

It needs an explanation because it's been inferred an echo chamber is where you get banned for disagreeing.

Yes, the views on here are overwhelmingly of a right-wing bent, absolutely no question.

Not to those, of course, who see their views as, simply, 'common sense' Lol.


This reminds me of what Mark Twain said about arguing.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 14 Sep 22 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

I guess the wider issue is just how polarised wider society has become. With perhaps football/sporting message boards being studied in the future as great examples of how the internet changed all kinds of discourse?

Back in their earliest forms both here and the BBS were amongst the forerunners of what we now call 'social media' and I know that on the BBS we would have all manner of events such as Christmas lunches, big meet ups (prior to the 5-0 Brighton match there must have been 100 plus of us in a basement bar in Victoria on a Friday night. Standing room only).

And people still argued and fell out but something changed, probably from about 2014 onwards.

Brexit really was a defining moment and I confess to never truly understanding just how much the EU meant to the Remainers. When I went and voted that day I truly believed the matter would effectively be settled. If Remain had won then as far as I was concerned, that was it. I had wanted a vote, been given that and if my side lost, that was it. Done and dusted. Never gave a moments thought to what the Remain side would go on and try to do in terms of over-turning it.

Lost friends over it, even to this day barely talking to people who before I had considered to be friends.

And that division continues to this day. Stoked up even more. Genuinely think we are past a tipping point now where nothing can ever be settled by the ballot box again because neither side is willing to cede to the other anymore.

Now of course, as a rabid Right Winger, I would make all kinds of passionate arguments about why this is the fault of the Left but the truth is that it does take two sides to tango. And I have relished this dance and still do.

Perhaps when we finally reach the brink when Jaw-Jaw switches to War-War we might all back down but I fear not. Just a case of when now rather than if. Because lines have been drawn in the sand. Unwilling, as things stand, to back down over them.

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 14 Sep 22 8.55pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

I guess the wider issue is just how polarised wider society has become. With perhaps football/sporting message boards being studied in the future as great examples of how the internet changed all kinds of discourse?

Back in their earliest forms both here and the BBS were amongst the forerunners of what we now call 'social media' and I know that on the BBS we would have all manner of events such as Christmas lunches, big meet ups (prior to the 5-0 Brighton match there must have been 100 plus of us in a basement bar in Victoria on a Friday night. Standing room only).

And people still argued and fell out but something changed, probably from about 2014 onwards.

Brexit really was a defining moment and I confess to never truly understanding just how much the EU meant to the Remainers. When I went and voted that day I truly believed the matter would effectively be settled. If Remain had won then as far as I was concerned, that was it. I had wanted a vote, been given that and if my side lost, that was it. Done and dusted. Never gave a moments thought to what the Remain side would go on and try to do in terms of over-turning it.

Lost friends over it, even to this day barely talking to people who before I had considered to be friends.

And that division continues to this day. Stoked up even more. Genuinely think we are past a tipping point now where nothing can ever be settled by the ballot box again because neither side is willing to cede to the other anymore.

Now of course, as a rabid Right Winger, I would make all kinds of passionate arguments about why this is the fault of the Left but the truth is that it does take two sides to tango. And I have relished this dance and still do.

Perhaps when we finally reach the brink when Jaw-Jaw switches to War-War we might all back down but I fear not. Just a case of when now rather than if. Because lines have been drawn in the sand. Unwilling, as things stand, to back down over them.

You should have been in on some of the old Hol meet ups - quality rather than quantity but I think the best one started on a Saturday and finished on Wednesday night about 12 miles from where it started - some 'older' posters may be able to fill in

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 14 Sep 22 10.06pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by becky

You should have been in on some of the old Hol meet ups - quality rather than quantity but I think the best one started on a Saturday and finished on Wednesday night about 12 miles from where it started - some 'older' posters may be able to fill in


I am sure you all had some fantastic nights out. And with people happy to share a drink who held all kinds of contrasting views.

But now?

Out of interest do you keep an eye on the average age of posters? And how many youngsters do you get registering new accounts?

 


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Sweden's PM Magdalena Andersson concedes election defeat and will resign as prime minister tomorrow.

Italy next.

The right's on the march.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sweden's PM Magdalena Andersson concedes election defeat and will resign as prime minister tomorrow.

Italy next.

The right's on the march.

Very interesting.

The question is how far right? I'm saying that with genuinely little knowledge or insight. If it is indeed just a reaction to the far left and the meeting of fire with fire, I do fear swinging from one set of ideologues to another doesn't represent progress at all. In this country we have seen everything swing so far left the CONS are essentially the left and the LABS have just become a circus. I wish for the left to be ousted as much as wish not for a too far right govt.

I still maintain we are living in a 'post-common sense' political and social landscape. Oh for centricity and logic!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 15 Sep 22 8.50am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Extremism is dangerous and divisive and should be avoided at all costs.
I am far more right than left but down the middle centrist suits me just fine to be honest.
A sensibly run country on a sound business and financial footing but with a social conscience would make me a happy man!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag The garden of England 15 Sep 22 8.53am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Extremism is dangerous and divisive and should be avoided at all costs.
I am far more right than left but down the middle centrist suits me just fine to be honest.
A sensibly run country on a sound business and financial footing but with a social conscience would make me a happy man!

Exactly but much of the time the social conscience leaves the majority behind !

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Exactly but much of the time the social conscience leaves the majority behind !

Cue glazier” what exactly does this mean?”

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Sep 22 8.57am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Extremism is dangerous and divisive and should be avoided at all costs.
I am far more right than left but down the middle centrist suits me just fine to be honest.
A sensibly run country on a sound business and financial footing but with a social conscience would make me a happy man!

Wholeheartedly agree.

I've just read that the 'righter' of the bunch will not have the PM, it will be the leader of the 'moderates' which hopefully will strike a nice balance. How accurate a prediction that is I have no idea however, may just be wishful thinking for the Swedes on my part.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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