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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 17 Dec 22 11.15pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I watched far fewer than that, mate.

England v Iran, v Wales, v Senegal and v France. Iran v Wales.

That's it. I was mildly hoping to keep watching England all the way to the final, but of course they turned out the 'same old, same old' in the qf. I've no interest whatsoever in watching two teams that aren't remarkable in any way contest the final. Or 'the coronation of Lionel Messi' to give it its correct title.

Same here. I watched England-France and a bit of a couple of other games and that's it. Couldn't care less about international football to begin with and the WC didn't change that. Was extremely irritated when it first started and took away proper football but I've grown into having a mid-season break and just looking forward to normal service being resumed now. The Test Series in pakistan has more than met my appetite for live sport the past few weeks.

 


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View Plumpton eagle's Profile Plumpton eagle Flag East Sussex 18 Dec 22 11.32am Send a Private Message to Plumpton eagle Add Plumpton eagle as a friend

Well, Gareth has very kindly stated that he is prepared to stay on until at least the next Euros. Somehow a situation has emerged where we are expected to be grateful for that. How can that be?

I suspect it is because the FA put style over substance. They would prefer to have a championship level manager that acts as they want rather than a proven winner that might not. I think the outcome will be that we qualify comfortably for the euros and then fail again when we meet a top side.

Just because there is no obvious/available candidate does not mean that they are not out there. As Einstein said “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Dec 22 11.46am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Plumpton eagle

Well, Gareth has very kindly stated that he is prepared to stay on until at least the next Euros. Somehow a situation has emerged where we are expected to be grateful for that. How can that be?

I suspect it is because the FA put style over substance. They would prefer to have a championship level manager that acts as they want rather than a proven winner that might not. I think the outcome will be that we qualify comfortably for the euros and then fail again when we meet a top side.

Just because there is no obvious/available candidate does not mean that they are not out there. As Einstein said “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

This is a question of expectation. Football is full of managers for whom avoiding relegation, getting into Europe or having a cup run count as success rather than actually winning anything.
England expect to get into the last eight in the World Cup and any more is a bonus.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Dec 22 11.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

So the 'yes' man remains in charge for another two years.

We have just about the most talented collection of players for decades, however for all that talent I don't think Southgate even comes close to extracting it. He was a good player but that's about it as far as I'm concerned.

English football just continues its tradition of managerial donkeys.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2022 11.58am)

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Dec 22 12.22pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

There weren't any National League managerial vacancies, so Southgate has stuck with the national team. Bully for him.

 


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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 18 Dec 22 1.28pm

Originally posted by Plumpton eagle

Well, Gareth has very kindly stated that he is prepared to stay on until at least the next Euros. Somehow a situation has emerged where we are expected to be grateful for that. How can that be?

I suspect it is because the FA put style over substance. They would prefer to have a championship level manager that acts as they want rather than a proven winner that might not. I think the outcome will be that we qualify comfortably for the euros and then fail again when we meet a top side.

Just because there is no obvious/available candidate does not mean that they are not out there. As Einstein said “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

People forget how sh!te many previous England managers have been though. The team is definitely more of a unit than it's been in decades under Southgate's watch and the nation in general behind the team rather than hyper critical of them. Chopping and changing isn't always the answer and although we've not quite got there yet, all in all it's hard to be too unhappy with our progress in recent years.

Most people I speak to who are averse to Southgate, when push comes to shove it's a 'taking the knee' dislike. I find that comical really because as absurdly overdone as that gesture most certainly is and has been, it has sod all to do with whether or not he's a good manager of the team so isn't a reliable basis from which to fashion a view or its progress.


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Dec 22 1.43pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by footythoughts

People forget how sh!te many previous England managers have been though. The team is definitely more of a unit than it's been in decades under Southgate's watch and the nation in general behind the team rather than hyper critical of them. Chopping and changing isn't always the answer and although we've not quite got there yet, all in all it's hard to be too unhappy with our progress in recent years.

Most people I speak to who are averse to Southgate, when push comes to shove it's a 'taking the knee' dislike. I find that comical really because as absurdly overdone as that gesture most certainly is and has been, it has sod all to do with whether or not he's a good manager of the team so isn't a reliable basis from which to fashion a view or its progress.


Edited by footythoughts (18 Dec 2022 1.33pm)

Genuinely, the tactics remind me strongly of Roy. Including the poor subs, the inability to rush the opposition and the apparent lack of any motivation in some games such as the Nation's league and the USA game. Not much has changed except slightly better players and a more settled squad.
If I were to say there is a slight improvement, that would be about right.
If England are to take the next step, they need a more astute manager. A manager that will utilise the players. Not a mate, someone who will bollock the players when they lose.

 


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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 18 Dec 22 2.06pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Genuinely, the tactics remind me strongly of Roy. Including the poor subs, the inability to rush the opposition and the apparent lack of any motivation in some games such as the Nation's league and the USA game. Not much has changed except slightly better players and a more settled squad.
If I were to say there is a slight improvement, that would be about right.
If England are to take the next step, they need a more astute manager. A manager that will utilise the players. Not a mate, someone who will bollock the players when they lose.

I do agree that eventually there comes a time for change, and even if Southgate has a really successful Euros I can see him stepping down anyway. There's definitely valid thoughts about different management styles - more of a front and centre passion, over quiet, dignified leadership - and post Euros if he goes it will be interesting to see where a new manager takes them and who gets the job.


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Dec 22 2.57pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

It's a case of who do I dislike less - currently France, which is really saying something. Argentina are intensely dislikeable and dirty. Let's watch them roll around for about an hour of the 90. I'm actually going out to walk the dog.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Dec 22 3.24pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Argentina the sharper side 1-0 Messi pen. a bit soft.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Dec 22 3.34pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Argentina the sharper side 1-0 Messi pen. a bit soft.

Just got back from walking the dog. He did a big poo.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Dec 22 3.36pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

It's 4-1 to Selby in the snooker.

 


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