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View bright&wright's Profile bright&wright Flag 04 Mar 23 9.07pm Send a Private Message to bright&wright Add bright&wright as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The board aren't going to sack him when we have played only one team below us since the WC (the win against Bournemouth) and sit in 12th place with recent draws against United, Liverpool and Newcastle. I also saw a stat that we are third in the PL for cost per point this season (only behind Brentford and Brighton).

Of course I'm not enjoying the games at the moment and if someone told me Tuchel or Pochettino want the job then fine, but when you look at how hard Leeds and Saints found it to get a manager at this stage of the season I think you have to be realistic. Personally I see no signs that the players have turned on Vieira and I have no desire to see another elderly stop gap. I also think a lot of it has to do with confidence. If we could get an unexpected win from one of the next three games that would be huge (if unlikely).

Give it 3 more games and there won't be anyone below us.

 


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View Old Chap's Profile Old Chap Flag Orpington 04 Mar 23 9.24pm Send a Private Message to Old Chap Add Old Chap as a friend

Purely on statistics, he's got the worse record of any manager in the past 25+ years (except de Boer & Warnock's second stint).

Under him we've won 22%, Roy won 33% & Pardew 38%

Not exactly confidence inspiring

 


Trivial fact - Palace used to win 5-1 at least once a season, maybe next season?

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 04 Mar 23 9.28pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

I actually wouldn't be surprised if we managed to get two draws from our next three games and I also suspect the majority of our fans feel this way also, if instead we were all fearing an absolute avalanche of goals then yes I'd tend to be agreeing with most of you on here in regard to our manager

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 04 Mar 23 9.29pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Old Chap

Purely on statistics, he's got the worse record of any manager in the past 25+ years (except de Boer & Warnock's second stint).

Under him we've won 22%, Roy won 33% & Pardew 38%

Not exactly confidence inspiring

What's the loss % though..

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 04 Mar 23 9.32pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

[quote=bright&wright;3779601]

Give it 3 more games and there won't be anyone below us.

Don't be silly.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 04 Mar 23 9.34pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The board aren't going to sack him when we have played only one team below us since the WC (the win against Bournemouth) and sit in 12th place with recent draws against United, Liverpool and Newcastle. I also saw a stat that we are third in the PL for cost per point this season (only behind Brentford and Brighton).

Of course I'm not enjoying the games at the moment and if someone told me Tuchel or Pochettino want the job then fine, but when you look at how hard Leeds and Saints found it to get a manager at this stage of the season I think you have to be realistic. Personally I see no signs that the players have turned on Vieira and I have no desire to see another elderly stop gap. I also think a lot of it has to do with confidence. If we could get an unexpected win from one of the next three games that would be huge (if unlikely).

Agree.

 

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View MKCPFC's Profile MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 04 Mar 23 10.28pm Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Said it before, say it again.
All of Viera's 'success ' last season was down to Gallagher making it work. We got to the cup semi final because we didn't play any decent team until the semi final.
He cannot motivate or Organise a team like Pulis, Sam or Roy.
He is now attempting to do so ,but I don't think he is capable.

 

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View Mathers's Profile Mathers Flag 04 Mar 23 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Mathers Add Mathers as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

We dont need a new full time manager, just a stop gap to keep us up, to put passion and instill confidence in good players, Freedman, Derry, Paddy or even Roy until the end of the season will give us a lift to get the 11/12 points we need.

I agree. Vieira binned Derry as he was threatened by him. This squad need some harsh words and very quickly to ensure we don’t go down.

PV’s ridiculous set up of playing high wing backs to cross the ball to nobody was the final straw. The bloke is absolutely clueless. There are managers in league 2 with better grip of the hand the him

 

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View radicalsteve's Profile radicalsteve Flag ottawa 04 Mar 23 11.34pm Send a Private Message to radicalsteve Add radicalsteve as a friend

Looks like the whole organization is in free fall from top to bottom - and if we go down .... think QPR and the like, until there is a complete change of leadership at the executive management and board level. If we go down, and we might, I don't see an organization capable of changing the plot.

Us and Leicester have consistently failed to invest in their squads to maintain a competitive starting eleven and the outcome is entirely predictable. Most disconcerting is our ability to attract top coaching/ recruitment / football director talent, always on the cheap, or in panic mode, and therefore garbage in, garbage out.

PV has run out of ideas and while he is not the whole problem, his position is the only one that can be quickly changed to prevent the incoming freefall. Problem is, at this time of the season it is a panic response to a crisis and its not like there is a top mclass manager waiting in the wings who could come on board with guarantees of financial support to rebuild in the summer.

Anyone have big Sam's number?

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Mar 23 11.56pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I suspect a sizeable number of our supporters want the club to dispense with the services of Vieira but I also suspect that this is not on the radar of the hierarchy at this juncture.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Mar 23 11.58pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Mathers

I agree. Vieira binned Derry as he was threatened by him. This squad need some harsh words and very quickly to ensure we don’t go down.

PV’s ridiculous set up of playing high wing backs to cross the ball to nobody was the final straw. The bloke is absolutely clueless. There are managers in league 2 with better grip of the hand the him

It certainly sounds like a theory, I agree regarding Gallagher however do not disagree too strenuously on other points but must add I have one myself:

The centre of my thinking atm is that PV inherited an old 'Roy' team. One that was well drilled, resistant and resilient just lacking in attacking threat or any flair. I thought, with additions, PV built upon this by loosening us up a bit and we started to look like a team both with the inherited sturdiness but a bit more going forward. I did note this early doors as well must say. I gave PV a fair amount of credit then as there was quite an overhaul in playing staff too.

For me, now, we have two fantastic CBs however do not have that sturdiness as a unit therefore weaker at the back, do not have a solid enough foundation for the attacking players and look absent of tactical instruction. Hence the lack of attacking threat, goals and subsequently any win for a very long time.

I saw an interesting piece suggesting PV's Nice downfall was due to an absence of 'identity' for his football and subsequently the team. Sounds very familiar. Many used to bemoan Roy's 'style' however I'd struggle to even articulate our identity or approach under PV.

There's no leadership on or off the pitch and we do not even look to ever have a game plan, style or even notion as to how to threaten the opposition's goal. PV has shown nothing to me that suggests he has any pragmatism, answers or even tricks up his sleeve to turn around our fortunes. I understand those saying he will not get sacked however I fear when he does leave, which he will soon, it may well be the overwhelming and obvious to state it should have been sooner.

If things are not going to change then I can soon see us threatening records for longest PL run without a win and ultimately up excrement's creek without a paddle. A fitting idiom given we will be in the relegation battle and bereft of any other options beyond a new manager performing miracles. Shoot that down if you choose to however I do not see much evidence to the contrary. We're on a one-way road here and it's going steeply downhill without even a glimmer of hope from my perspective. We were very lucky vs BHA and I honestly thought we looked slightly better against L'pool, despite them being very very poor, however even that inspiration has quickly been stomped out. It's almost nostalgic for me as I haven't been this worried for Palace for a while.

Edited by Nicholas91 (05 Mar 2023 12.00am)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 23 12.12am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

It certainly sounds like a theory, I agree regarding Gallagher however do not disagree too strenuously on other points but must add I have one myself:

The centre of my thinking atm is that PV inherited an old 'Roy' team. One that was well drilled, resistant and resilient just lacking in attacking threat or any flair. I thought, with additions, PV built upon this by loosening us up a bit and we started to look like a team both with the inherited sturdiness but a bit more going forward. I did note this early doors as well must say. I gave PV a fair amount of credit then as there was quite an overhaul in playing staff too.

For me, now, we have two fantastic CBs however do not have that sturdiness as a unit therefore weaker at the back, do not have a solid enough foundation for the attacking players and look absent of tactical instruction. Hence the lack of attacking threat, goals and subsequently any win for a very long time.

I saw an interesting piece suggesting PV's Nice downfall was due to an absence of 'identity' for his football and subsequently the team. Sounds very familiar. Many used to bemoan Roy's 'style' however I'd struggle to even articulate our identity or approach under PV.

There's no leadership on or off the pitch and we do not even look to ever have a game plan, style or even notion as to how to threaten the opposition's goal. PV has shown nothing to me that suggests he has any pragmatism, answers or even tricks up his sleeve to turn around our fortunes. I understand those saying he will not get sacked however I fear when he does leave, which he will soon, it may well be the overwhelming and obvious to state it should have been sooner.

If things are not going to change then I can soon see us threatening records for longest PL run without a win and ultimately up excrement's creek without a paddle. A fitting idiom given we will be in the relegation battle and bereft of any other options beyond a new manager performing miracles. Shoot that down if you choose to however I do not see much evidence to the contrary. We're on a one-way road here and it's going steeply downhill without even a glimmer of hope from my perspective. We were very lucky vs BHA and I honestly thought we looked slightly better against L'pool, despite them being very very poor, however even that inspiration has quickly been stomped out. It's almost nostalgic for me as I haven't been this worried for Palace for a while.

Edited by Nicholas91 (05 Mar 2023 12.00am)

I really do not believe that the departure of Vieira is imminent.
The statistics over the last 12 PL games are damning, however there is still a 'Cushion' between ourselves and the relegation zone.
Had we been in the bottom 3 and somewhat detached from safety I believe the club would be taking a different approach.

 

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