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View jabber's Profile jabber Flag pease pottage 05 Mar 23 10.05am Send a Private Message to jabber Add jabber as a friend

Originally posted by SwordFish

A year ago today we beat a good wolves side 2-0 away from home, the first was genuinely the best I’ve seen us play away from home , I’ve just looked at the lineup and it was this

Guaita
Clyne
Guehi
Anderson
Mitchell

Schlupp
Kouyate

Olise
Gallagher
Zaha
Mateta

We also were able to bring on benteke in second half to see it out hold the ball up.

What’s changed ? Obviously Gallagher however, kouyate thinking back was such a strong prescense in that midfield and allowed the forward players freedom as he done slot of dirty work , also very versatile I remember he done good job at centre back under Roy.
The loss of Gallagher this season is easy to see but the loss of Kouyate goes under the radar in my opinion

Ayew playing every game cost us 2 points against Brentford still plays because he runs around like a headless chicken. 1 goal and 1 assist, you can bet PV will pick him before jimmy mac next game.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Mar 23 10.07am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

Good question Lanzo. I think we needed two central midfielders and one more forward.

Also think ideally we needed them last summer. Another left back would have been great as well.


Pukki would have been a decent shout 32, end of contract, 18 months at 25k a week, worth a gamble, probably about 1m

 


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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 05 Mar 23 10.12am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Yes you’re right. There is so much money washing around that financially we just can’t compete with many of the teams.

The academy won’t produce players for probably at least 3-4 years and we’ll do well to get one for the first team every 2 years. It’s not going to be s factory producing oven ready premier league players. If this is the route we are going we perhaps have to accept the fact we will be relegated in the next couple of seasons and stick with Vieira and let the club build on a possession based game from the youngest team all the way through.

It’s interesting that we want Premier League football at all costs, but we if we can’t compete financially then how are we meant to on the pitch. Bringing in a manager to play attrition football won’t move us forward long term. Sam Allardyce and Roy also got relegated in their last jobs and Dyche was taking Burnley down.

Originally posted by PJEagle


The problem is with the Premier League and the corrupt billionaire's playground it's become. How can a club which doesn't have billions compete with Middle East sovereign wealth funds who are using the PL for their own purposes? The direction of travel for Parish and the board is I believe correct. Develop our own youth academy, and attract the best and brightest players from the U.K. and beyond. Hopefully a few of them will shine brightly and become established first team players. This worked brilliantly with Zaha and pretty well with Clyne. I feel sorry for Mitchell. Other teams are targeting him and badly needs a rest out of the firing line. But there are no experienced LBs to come in to take his place. There are some very good young LBs at Palace in the Academy, but nowhere near ready for the PL.

 

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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 05 Mar 23 10.17am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Yes he would have. Why we didn’t replace Benteke is beyond me as well. We have 2 strikers!! Two pretty poor ones as well.

Their are massive holes in the squad. Any manager is going to struggle with the squad we have.

Lack of options, old players and injury prone players.

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Pukki would have been a decent shout 32, end of contract, 18 months at 25k a week, worth a gamble, probably about 1m

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Mar 23 10.21am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Perhaps nobody wishes to look at what you have been waving!

You have been consistent in your messaging apropos Vieira and you are clinging on to such sentiments as a Maltese terrier will refuse to surrender its Bonio.

Its just so obvious to me he is hopeless in all aspects of being a manager, i take no pleasure from our pathetic performances, but it is becoming hard to watch the lack of commitment, i have a sponge tennis ball i through at the screen, in the bar, or at home, when Vieira comes on screen, my psychiatrist recommended it.

 


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Originally posted by PatrickA

Agree with this.
People say Kouyate is now injured and wouldn't have helped,
but who knows if he would have got injured had he remained with us in the summer (he got injured at the World Cup).
We miss Kouyate's stength, physicality,consistency and competitive spirit.

I very much doubt Kouyate would be a difference-maker, He is 33 and IIRC, was not a regular starter for us after the African Nations last year. He has played 12 times for Forest in the league in which they have won just two (both 1-0) and had a -17 Goal difference. Of course, one of the two was against us. Zaha missed penalty, I believe

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 05 Mar 23 10.40am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten


You’re right, but I think he’s tinkering with players in different positions because he doesn’t have the options of bringing someone else on.

If we are losing and Olise, Ayew and Eze aren’t working. Who do we bring on from the bench.

All our attacking youngsters are out on loan and most sat on the bench (Ebiowei, Plange,).

We don’t have the tools. Is Vieira faultless. No. Is he totally to blame. No. He will be the scapegoat and get the sack as the fans want change. But really we should be protesting about the lack of first team investment. Others have gone forward, we have gone backwards.

Let's look at this from another angle. Why do these 3 have to start? One works hard to little effect desite his experience, another is beyond lazy, style over substance, and another, has the potential but currently is on a learning curve. Between them they contribute very little as our lack of goal attempts illustrates. Add Zaha into the mix and the set is complete.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (05 Mar 2023 10.42am)

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 23 10.54am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Its just so obvious to me he is hopeless in all aspects of being a manager, i take no pleasure from our pathetic performances, but it is becoming hard to watch the lack of commitment, i have a sponge tennis ball i through at the screen, in the bar, or at home, when Vieira comes on screen, my psychiatrist recommended it.

When results are dire, the manager 'Carries the can' despite there often being extenuating circumstances.

When I analyse our squad, we have 2 full backs in Ward and Clyne with a combined age of 64, a left-back who has not progressed at all and appears to have regressed and there being no natural cover in that position.None of our full-backs provide an attacking threat, thereby giving our team a different dimension.

In midfield, Milivojevic and Riedewald are clearly not the answer and McArthur is 35 and has only just returned from injury.Eze is a 'Luxury player' who is talented but flatters to deceive and his work out of possession has been criticised.

Our recognised strikers are Mateta, Ayew and Edouard, the less said about their goal records the better.In terms of Eduoard, it was reported that thee were issues with his work rate when he was at Celtic.Plange was bought but has hardly played for Lincoln this season and the same applies to Ebiowei at Hull.

Of course the manager faces shot and shell when results are abject and I suppose one could pose the questions :

1. Is he getting the best out of the squad ?
2. Are his team selections, tactics and use of substitutes worthy of praise ?
3. Could a new manager invigorate the squad and engineer a revival ?
4. Whom realistically could we attract ? Tuchel ?, Bielsa ?, Zidane ?, Gattuso ? Perhaps Gerrard, Lampard, Marsch, Bruce would be interested - their appointment would gain the approval of supporters !!!!

I suspect as far as the supporters are concerned the answers would be : 1 - NO, 2 - NO, 3 - YES.

Edited by Willo (05 Mar 2023 11.19am)

 

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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 05 Mar 23 11.04am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I really do not believe that the departure of Vieira is imminent.
The statistics over the last 12 PL games are damning, however there is still a 'Cushion' between ourselves and the relegation zone.
Had we been in the bottom 3 and somewhat detached from safety I believe the club would be taking a different approach.

Which is disappearing very quickly.

 

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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 05 Mar 23 11.05am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend


Agree with everything you have stated Willo. Vieira May have faults but the problems lay much deeper in a squad that just doesn’t have enough strength.

Who could we realistically get in as a manger to improve us. Hassenhuttle perhaps?

Fault lays with the board. I think they got complacent or there are far deeper rooted problems. Many of us could see the problems in the summer. I’m

Originally posted by Willo

When results are dire, the manager 'Carries the can' despite there often being extenuating circumstances.

When I analyse our squad, we have 2 full backs in Ward and Clyne with a combined age of 64, a left-back who has not progressed at all and appears to have regressed and there being no natural cover in that position.None of our full-backs provide an attacking threat, thereby giving our team a different dimension.

In midfield, Milivojevic and Riedewald are clearly not the answer and McArthur is 35 and has only just returned from injury.Eze is a 'Luxury player' who is talented but flatters to deceive and his work out of possession has been criticised.

Our recognised strikers are Mateta, Ayew and Edouard, the less said about their goal records the better.In twerms of Eduoard, it was reported that thee were issues with his work rate when he was at Celtic.Plange was bought but has hardly played for Lincoln this season and the same applies to Ebiowei at Hull.

Of course the manager faces shot and shell when results are abject and I suppose one could pose the questions :

1. Is he getting the best out of the squad ?
2. Are his team selections, tactics and use of substitutes worthy of praise ?
3. Could a new manager invigorate the squad and engineer a revival ?
4. Whom realistically could we attract ? Tuchel ?, Bielsa ?, Zidane ?, Gattuso ? Perhaps Gerrard, Lampard, Marsch, Bruce would be interested - their appointment would gain the approval of supporters !!!!

I suspect as far as the supporters are concerned the answers would be : 1 - NO, 2 - NO, 3 - YES.

Edited by Willo (05 Mar 2023 10.59am)

 

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View SwordFish's Profile SwordFish Flag Peasmarsh,East Sussex 05 Mar 23 11.09am Send a Private Message to SwordFish Add SwordFish as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten


Agree with everything you have stated Willo. Vieira May have faults but the problems lay much deeper in a squad that just doesn’t have enough strength.

Who could we realistically get in as a manger to improve us. Hassenhuttle perhaps?

Fault lays with the board. I think they got complacent or there are far deeper rooted problems. Many of us could see the problems in the summer. I’m

Yes there is definitely something not right seems it’s gone sour since the Derry situation…

Limbs when we sack Viera and instate Derry as caretaker manager until further notice

 


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View SwordFish's Profile SwordFish Flag Peasmarsh,East Sussex 05 Mar 23 11.15am Send a Private Message to SwordFish Add SwordFish as a friend

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Every word of viera post match press conference still saying there is a “process in play” this has been said since he joined ! Where is the process leading ? To the championship?

 


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