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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 05 Mar 23 8.47am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Ultimately the board are to blame. Look at our bench and think who you bring on to change a game. There are virtually no options. Vieira is left with about 15-16 players to choose from. They become undroppable however bad they perform as a result.
Buying players for the future is great if you have enough options for now. We donít.
Thatís the fault of the board and recruitment team.

Those who say we need a manager who will motivate players. Iím not sure we have the right type of players for that. Where are the leaders? We have a few skilful types who are lazy. Great when itís going good, not so much when it isnít. And we have a few who just shouldnít be in a premier league team anymore.

Sack the manager? It goes deeper than that. We are just going to have to see it out. Problems lie with Parish and the lack of investment.

 

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So if, as many on here are saying, PV totally lacks any ideas for inspiring better play from the players he has, and also lacks tactical nous to cover their weaknesses in play, then exactly what is the point of that supposedly Welsh wunderkind Osian Roberts?

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 05 Mar 23 9.00am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

Ultimately the board are to blame. Look at our bench and think who you bring on to change a game. There are virtually no options. Vieira is left with about 15-16 players to choose from. They become undroppable however bad they perform as a result.
Buying players for the future is great if you have enough options for now. We donít.
Thatís the fault of the board and recruitment team.

Those who say we need a manager who will motivate players. Iím not sure we have the right type of players for that. Where are the leaders? We have a few skilful types who are lazy. Great when itís going good, not so much when it isnít. And we have a few who just shouldnít be in a premier league team anymore.

Sack the manager? It goes deeper than that. We are just going to have to see it out. Problems lie with Parish and the lack of investment.

I've said it before, Vieira doesn't know his best side within the limitations you set out. The constant swapping of players for positions they're not suited for bears this out. Up front? Try Zaha central this week. Or maybe try Mateta. Tried Eduoard? Try Eze on the left or maybe Schlupp. Don't play a player who is suited to a role but shoehorn one of your favourites instead. And on it goes. Keep fiddling with the puzzle pieces and maybe, just maybe, the full picture will emerge. Fact is Vieira has had a whole season to know the team but he's still tinkering.

 

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View SwordFish's Profile SwordFish Flag Peasmarsh,East Sussex 05 Mar 23 9.02am Send a Private Message to SwordFish Add SwordFish as a friend

A year ago today we beat a good wolves side 2-0 away from home, the first was genuinely the best Iíve seen us play away from home , Iíve just looked at the lineup and it was this

Guaita
Clyne
Guehi
Anderson
Mitchell

Schlupp
Kouyate

Olise
Gallagher
Zaha
Mateta

We also were able to bring on benteke in second half to see it out hold the ball up.

Whatís changed ? Obviously Gallagher however, kouyate thinking back was such a strong prescense in that midfield and allowed the forward players freedom as he done slot of dirty work , also very versatile I remember he done good job at centre back under Roy.
The loss of Gallagher this season is easy to see but the loss of Kouyate goes under the radar in my opinion

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Mar 23 9.10am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

Ultimately the board are to blame. Look at our bench and think who you bring on to change a game. There are virtually no options. Vieira is left with about 15-16 players to choose from. They become undroppable however bad they perform as a result.
Buying players for the future is great if you have enough options for now. We donít.
Thatís the fault of the board and recruitment team.

Those who say we need a manager who will motivate players. Iím not sure we have the right type of players for that. Where are the leaders? We have a few skilful types who are lazy. Great when itís going good, not so much when it isnít. And we have a few who just shouldnít be in a premier league team anymore.

Sack the manager? It goes deeper than that. We are just going to have to see it out. Problems lie with Parish and the lack of investment.

Do you think Ahamada was what was needed in the last window, we have two very promising young midfielders in Phillips and Ozoh, and do think Lokonga is any better than Hughes, wouldnt the purchase and loan have been better used on a CF or 2

 


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Youíre right, but I think heís tinkering with players in different positions because he doesnít have the options of bringing someone else on.

If we are losing and Olise, Ayew and Eze arenít working. Who do we bring on from the bench.

All our attacking youngsters are out on loan and most sat on the bench (Ebiowei, Plange,).

We donít have the tools. Is Vieira faultless. No. Is he totally to blame. No. He will be the scapegoat and get the sack as the fans want change. But really we should be protesting about the lack of first team investment. Others have gone forward, we have gone backwards.

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I've said it before, Vieira doesn't know his best side within the limitations you set out. The constant swapping of players for positions they're not suited for bears this out. Up front? Try Zaha central this week. Or maybe try Mateta. Tried Eduoard? Try Eze on the left or maybe Schlupp. Don't play a player who is suited to a role but shoehorn one of your favourites instead. And on it goes. Keep fiddling with the puzzle pieces and maybe, just maybe, the full picture will emerge. Fact is Vieira has had a whole season to know the team but he's still tinkering.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 05 Mar 23 9.19am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Agree with this.
People say Kouyate is now injured and wouldn't have helped,
but who knows if he would have got injured had he remained with us in the summer (he got injured at the World Cup).
We miss Kouyate's stength, physicality,consistency and competitive spirit.
Doucoure is not a direct replacement and is a different type of player.
With the absence of Gallagher and McArthur too, we don't have an adequate 'engine room' to give us a platform to perform.


Originally posted by SwordFish

A year ago today we beat a good wolves side 2-0 away from home, the first was genuinely the best Iíve seen us play away from home , Iíve just looked at the lineup and it was this

Guaita
Clyne
Guehi
Anderson
Mitchell

Schlupp
Kouyate

Olise
Gallagher
Zaha
Mateta

We also were able to bring on benteke in second half to see it out hold the ball up.

Whatís changed ? Obviously Gallagher however, kouyate thinking back was such a strong prescense in that midfield and allowed the forward players freedom as he done slot of dirty work , also very versatile I remember he done good job at centre back under Roy.
The loss of Gallagher this season is easy to see but the loss of Kouyate goes under the radar in my opinion

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 23 9.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten


Youíre right, but I think heís tinkering with players in different positions because he doesnít have the options of bringing someone else on.

If we are losing and Olise, Ayew and Eze arenít working. Who do we bring on from the bench.

All our attacking youngsters are out on loan and most sat on the bench (Ebiowei, Plange,).

We donít have the tools. Is Vieira faultless. No. Is he totally to blame. No. He will be the scapegoat and get the sack as the fans want change. But really we should be protesting about the lack of first team investment. Others have gone forward, we have gone backwards.

In Spain when supporters want the manager relieved of his duties, they wave white handkerchiefs in the air in unison, it is an imposing sight and invariably they get their wish.

Bring your Kleenex tissues to the Man C game !!

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 05 Mar 23 9.24am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

In Spain when supporters want the manager relieved of his duties, they wave white handkerchiefs in the air in unison, it is an imposing sight and invariably they get their wish.

Bring your Kleenex tissues to the Man C game !!

ive been waving mine for 3 months, but nobody is looking

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 23 9.31am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

ive been waving mine for 3 months, but nobody is looking

Perhaps nobody wishes to look at what you have been waving!

You have been consistent in your messaging apropos Vieira and you are clinging on to such sentiments as a Maltese terrier will refuse to surrender its Bonio.

 

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View PJEagle's Profile PJEagle Flag London 05 Mar 23 9.38am Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by fish mitten

Ultimately the board are to blame. Look at our bench and think who you bring on to change a game. There are virtually no options. Vieira is left with about 15-16 players to choose from. They become undroppable however bad they perform as a result.
Buying players for the future is great if you have enough options for now. We donít.
Thatís the fault of the board and recruitment team.

Those who say we need a manager who will motivate players. Iím not sure we have the right type of players for that. Where are the leaders? We have a few skilful types who are lazy. Great when itís going good, not so much when it isnít. And we have a few who just shouldnít be in a premier league team anymore.

Sack the manager? It goes deeper than that. We are just going to have to see it out. Problems lie with Parish and the lack of investment.

The problem is with the Premier League and the corrupt billionaire's playground it's become. How can a club which doesn't have billions compete with Middle East sovereign wealth funds who are using the PL for their own purposes? The direction of travel for Parish and the board is I believe correct. Develop our own youth academy, and attract the best and brightest players from the U.K. and beyond. Hopefully a few of them will shine brightly and become established first team players. This worked brilliantly with Zaha and pretty well with Clyne. I feel sorry for Mitchell. Other teams are targeting him and badly needs a rest out of the firing line. But there are no experienced LBs to come in to take his place. There are some very good young LBs at Palace in the Academy, but nowhere near ready for the PL.

 

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View fish mitten's Profile fish mitten Flag Chelmsford 05 Mar 23 10.01am Send a Private Message to fish mitten Add fish mitten as a friend

Good question Lanzo. I think we needed two central midfielders and one more forward.

Also think ideally we needed them last summer. Another left back would have been great as well.

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Do you think Ahamada was what was needed in the last window, we have two very promising young midfielders in Phillips and Ozoh, and do think Lokonga is any better than Hughes, wouldnt the purchase and loan have been better used on a CF or 2

 

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