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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 23 11.00am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

i see you have been listening to the BBC again Wisbech.

Among other sources. Better that than the right-wing press or websites like this if you want to get under the surface.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 23 11.06am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BrentisBack

They do churn them out over there. They just seem to in mainland Europe in general. My main gripe with leaving the EU truth be known.

The idea that those on the right are better looking than those on the left made me smile.

The truth is, of course, that as those on the right tend to be much more concerned with how things appear to be than in actually what they are, this spills over into the way they present themselves.

Look at Trump for the evidence.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Nov 23 11.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Amusing that he thinks of his bloke.

Maybe those gay nudist beaches left their mark....or marks.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Nov 23 11.27am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who suggested it wasn't democratic?

It will still be democratic if a government is formed without Wilders because a majority of people didn't vote for his party. If they form one together that's the people speaking.


can we compare and contrast :

Dutch voters compared to All Voters ?

We can all be fairly confident that Wilders got all the votes from the relatives of Vincent Van Gogh....at least those of them that have survived to today.

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Nov 2023 11.42am)

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Nov 23 11.28am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The idea that those on the right are better looking than those on the left made me smile.

The truth is, of course, that as those on the right tend to be much more concerned with how things appear to be than in actually what they are, this spills over into the way they present themselves.

Look at Trump for the evidence.

You've never seen Tony Blair his mate Mandelson or the dark Lord Campbell. New Labour was all about how they looked.

 


One more point

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 23 Nov 23 11.47am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

From the BBC report on the Dutch election:
"But there was a collective gasp of disbelief when the exit polls flashed up on the screens and they huddled over their phones trying to understand what went wrong."

Again.

Just like Brexit, Trump's election victory and 2019 Tory election win. The "left" or "progressives" never learn.

They're so busy being morally and intellectually superior that they ignore others' points of view or concerns. They are so utterly convinced that their views are correct that any dissenting views from their own are regarded as misinformed, "populist" or uneducated.

I live in an area and come from a social background (Hove, and middle class) where this is incredibly visible. Ask a fairly comfortable, white Hove resident to converse or interact with a "working class" bod (or tradesman as they are sometimes known) and they get all Dick van Dykey in Mary Poppins trying to come across in the right way. It's comical.

A lot of them will congregate between the 80th minute and the end of stoppage time in the queue for the train on the way out of Falmer in an attempt to avoid having to mix with those types who may break into swearing or chanting behaviour so often seen in these working class fellows.

They will forever scratch their heads over how their own strong opinions are not gratefully seized upon by their inferiors in an election scenario.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 23 Nov 23 11.52am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

I suppose Italy and Argentina results were freak results too

Can see the two other dutch party's joining and the "far right" party will be opposition.

Tide is well and truly turning if other countries and governments don't start listening to the will of the people we will continue to see more "freak" results. Yes I'm looking over at macron who was very lucky at the last french election.

Edited by eaglesdare (23 Nov 2023 11.54am)

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Nov 23 11.55am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

as those on the right tend to be much more concerned with how things appear to be than in actually what they are, this spills over into the way they present themselves.

The central plank of 'the Right' is that my money pays for the raising of my own kids. Not somebody else's kids. And certainly not for an order of anonymous kids who grow up to hate me, hate my culture, and reject my nation.

The Social Contract died in the 1960's.

in terms of appearances......you can be unkempt & scruffy or groomed. It doesnt really matter.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Nov 23 12.23pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Yeah, it's all about how it appears to be instead of what it is, coming to you from the guy who moved to Cornwall instead of Croydon.

Meanwhile back in the real world: (taken from Matt Goodwin)

NEW. Net migration in the UK soars to 672,000

Net migration by year:

1992 49,000
1994 94,000
1995 127,000
1996 116,000
--New Labour elected--
1997 107,000
1998 162,000
1999 187,000
2000 220,000
2001 220,000
2002 241,000
2003 239,000
2004 349,000
2005 293,000
2006 322,000
2007 330,000
2008 250,000
2009 242,000
--Conservatives elected--
2010 294,000
2011 291,000
2012 291,000
2012 229,000
2014 283,000
2015 379,000
--People vote for Brexit--
2016 369,000
2017 270,000
2018 285,000
2019 275,000
2020 374,000
2021 456,000
2022 745,000 (revised up)
2023 672,000

Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2023 12.34pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Nov 23 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Never forget that politicians of all colours allowed this to happen.

There was no voting your way out of it.

Even if you weren't against net migration figures like these and didn't care about increasing crime and lower social cohesion, living spaces and cultures being changed and displaced there is the wages and housing effects that numbers like these cause.

The statistics are all there to see. The affect on housing for example is easy to figure out.....but they did it anyway because it's always a can being kicked down for the next guy.....always taking the easy option to carry on because these people are careerists much more than they care about the country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2023 12.33pm)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Nov 23 12.57pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

ever noticed how Geert Wilders looks like Bob Geldof ? The latter seems to have at least a couple of grandparents from the Flemish-Belgium region, and a Jewish background that may not have always embraced the Multicultural ideas of European Islam......so maybe Geert can also sing ?

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Nov 23 1.28pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Whether or not they’ll have or prove to be any success in the Netherlands is unknown however, and I’d argue the same for ‘Brexit’, this result surely exhibits the outrageous belief of some people that flooding their homeland, which the indigenous people worked hard to build, with cultures and peoples from far less successful nations, is at best lacking in any logic. Little if no thought given to anything outside of this consideration.

Good luck to the Netherlands, hopefully unlike here it will yield the results the people want and not go the ‘Brexit’ way. My fear is that the lunacy the left has tried to install will only be countered by a hard right, with neither of those scenarios desirable, but we’ve reached such a juncture that the radical left is inevitably being exposed and increasingly rejected.

I only pray for common sense and rationality to prevail but do fear a swing from mass immigration, mutilation of children, BAME, LGBTQ etc. everything to near Nazism. It very much looks as though it’s beginning to happen but to what extent who knows? I feel as though it will happen eventually however, whether in my lifetime or beyond.


 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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