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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 31 Jan 24 1.34pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

This sums up my concern with so many posts on here.

How on earth is it ever remotely reasonable to expect a 6-1 win in any game of professional football?!

I mean, how often do they actually happen, ever, in any game, even for Real Madrid, or Man City, or Bayern Munich?!

Yet Palace 'should' manage it!

I don't think it was a literal statement or prediction of the score, it was very tongue in cheek to represent the fact they looked very poor and we surprisingly looked as though we could produce a goal every time we got forward and should have been comfortable in seeing out a win.

It sums up my concern with so many posts on here that anyone would read into that so literally and write such a lengthy post off the back of it.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 31 Jan 24 1.39pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

....well to an extent it was Roy's fault as he selected Richards at right back when Clyne has been in reasonable form and had done nothing to warrant being left out.
Similarly, he's played Richards in central midfield where he's like a fish out of water.
He's played Schlupp on the right or left wing where he looks uncomfortable.
He's played Hughes in advanced midfield where his lack of pace and ability to break forward is exposed.
It's not that complicated - play players in their correct positions.


But yet so many on here wanted Richards at right-back ahead of Clyne and Ward, so if Roy was wrong to pick Richards there last night, how many of them will now say they were wrong to complain previously? Not many.

And who would you have picked in the centre of midfield ahead of Richards, given the injury to Docoure?

Schlupp is a winger. That is his preferred position. He can play in the middle or at left back, but he is a winger. If Olise, or even Rak-Sakhi had been fit, perhaps Sch;lupp would have played less, but that's not how it was.

He played Hughes there when Eze was injured. We don't have anyone else able to play there. If Roy had played a system with three defensive midfielders instead, everyone would be moaning about that.

You're right, it's not complicated. We just need to look at the circumstances as they are in real life.

 

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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 31 Jan 24 1.42pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Something someone mentioned last night about the KO .I dont think anyone replied as they were too busy typing FFS and the like .

So seeing as we were kicking toward the Holmesdale first half it was observed that we must have lost the toss as that is our favoured second half direction of attack .

Why then did Sheffield take the KO ?

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 31 Jan 24 1.43pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I don't think it was a literal statement or prediction of the score, it was very tongue in cheek to represent the fact they looked very poor and we surprisingly looked as though we could produce a goal every time we got forward and should have been comfortable in seeing out a win.

It sums up my concern with so many posts on here that anyone would read into that so literally and write such a lengthy post off the back of it.

I promise I won't do that awful 'If you read what I actually said, and what you actually said' thing, but even if you were talking in general terms, the idea that Palace 'should' establish dominant control in a premier league game against a team fighting for their lives remains, to me, symptomatic of misplaced entitlement.

I'm amazed by how many posts on here are of the 'Sheffield Utd are s***, so the win means less' tone.

Christ, they played well, came back from behind twice (including one terribly unlucky deflection) to win and all some people can talk about is that Palace 'should' be winning.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Jan 2024 1.45pm)

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 31 Jan 24 1.47pm Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

Something someone mentioned last night about the KO .I dont think anyone replied as they were too busy typing FFS and the like .

So seeing as we were kicking toward the Holmesdale first half it was observed that we must have lost the toss as that is our favoured second half direction of attack .

Why then did Sheffield take the KO ?

It was me, but still no answer to that? Perhaps we did win the toss and changed ends weird?

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 31 Jan 24 2.13pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Well then Roy was just as culpable as those mistaken fans as,unlike the fans, he had control over the selection and elected to play Richards ahead of Clyne at right back.

It's some years since Schlupp has been able to make a contribution as a winger in the forward line.
Age and lack of fitness have taken their toll and we rarely see those bursts these days.

Hughes and Lerma have played their whole careers in midfield and in the last few seasons even Schlupp has shown he can do a job there. There are also Riedewald, Ahamada and Ozoh.
I'm not suggesting it's an ideal choice, but at least they can play in midfield, which Richards is patently not cut out to do.

Even truly great managers like Pep and Ancelotti make selection mistakes, but when it's suggested an ordinary manager such as Roy makes an error it seems that some can't contemplate even that as a remote possibilty.

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
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But yet so many on here wanted Richards at right-back ahead of Clyne and Ward, so if Roy was wrong to pick Richards there last night, how many of them will now say they were wrong to complain previously? Not many.

And who would you have picked in the centre of midfield ahead of Richards, given the injury to Docoure?

Schlupp is a winger. That is his preferred position. He can play in the middle or at left back, but he is a winger. If Olise, or even Rak-Sakhi had been fit, perhaps Sch;lupp would have played less, but that's not how it was.

He played Hughes there when Eze was injured. We don't have anyone else able to play there. If Roy had played a system with three defensive midfielders instead, everyone would be moaning about that.

You're right, it's not complicated. We just need to look at the circumstances as they are in real life.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 31 Jan 24 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I promise I won't do that awful 'If you read what I actually said, and what you actually said' thing, but even if you were talking in general terms, the idea that Palace 'should' establish dominant control in a premier league game against a team fighting for their lives remains, to me, symptomatic of misplaced entitlement.

I'm amazed by how many posts on here are of the 'Sheffield Utd are s***, so the win means less' tone.

Christ, they played well, came back from behind twice (including one terribly unlucky deflection) to win and all some people can talk about is that Palace 'should' be winning.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Jan 2024 1.45pm)

Canít you just admit you misread the gist of his post. Palace showed more control and dominance going forward than they have for some time and it exposed just how poor Sheffield are and yet you see a post as entitlement? That really is a strange take on it.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 31 Jan 24 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I promise I won't do that awful 'If you read what I actually said, and what you actually said' thing, but even if you were talking in general terms, the idea that Palace 'should' establish dominant control in a premier league game against a team fighting for their lives remains, to me, symptomatic of misplaced entitlement.

I'm amazed by how many posts on here are of the 'Sheffield Utd are s***, so the win means less' tone.

Christ, they played well, came back from behind twice (including one terribly unlucky deflection) to win and all some people can talk about is that Palace 'should' be winning.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Jan 2024 1.45pm)


See, this is the problem where you have not read my original post, which you replied to, as you had a bone to pick and therefore misconstrued my anecdote and launched an attack on it.

That comment I overheard and alluded to was very much an in-game, real time assessment 'should' and I doubt just myself and the bloke next to me were the only ones thinking 'Of course we were asleep at the beginning and unluckily they got a goal in less than half a minute but they're not very good at all plus we have the quality to punish them for it'. It was nothing to do with sentiment, entitlement or ignorance of football. We were watching the match.

Beyond them taking advantage of our yet again snail-like start, where a RB was all at sea as of course, he is not a RB and our formation was bizarre, and a deflected shot from a counter they very rarely threatened nor looked capable of producing anything defenders of the quality we have should easily be able to cope with. Even for their second we watched them pass the ball around and lost individual battles as shock, we were half asleep and lacked any aggression whatsoever.

All our problems were of our own, or rather the manager's making yesterday. Playing players out of position (most notably RB), getting overly excited about the first equaliser leading to complacency (and bad fortune), starting games at a 'snail in the headlights' manner, then towards the end bizarre substitutions with tactics and formation all over the place and an invitation for a team we looked for all the world far superior to, in that game on the night, to have at us for 15-25mins.

We won in spite of a bit of bad luck and our manager yesterday, not because of him. The gulf in quality whilst we had Eze and Olise on the pitch was enormous and we may still have looked far superior with logical substitutions. They very rarely threatened with any sincerity beyond their goals and we could or probably should have had more yesterday. That was the game, as it panned out, on the night.


 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 31 Jan 24 2.28pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Well then Roy was just as culpable as those mistaken fans as,unlike the fans, he had control over the selection and elected to play Richards ahead of Clyne at right back.

It's some years since Schlupp has been able to make a contribution as a winger in the forward line.
Age and lack of fitness have taken their toll and we rarely see those bursts these days.

Hughes and Lerma have played their whole careers in midfield and in the last few seasons even Schlupp has shown he can do a job there. There are also Riedewald, Ahamada and Ozoh.
I'm not suggesting it's an ideal choice, but at least they can play in midfield, which Richards is patently not cut out to do.

Even truly great managers like Pep and Ancelotti make selection mistakes, but when it's suggested an ordinary manager such as Roy makes an error it seems that some can't contemplate even that as a remote possibilty.

Perhaps one or two really, really do love Roy but personally, I try to assess him objectively. I'm just not sure many on here are.

It feels like if Roy makes a decision in line with one his critics have been advocating (Richards at RB for instance) and the player makes an error, nobody sees that as a prompt to examine whether they were right to use that stick to beat Roy with. It's still his fault. If I understand, your approach is something like 'Well, don't listen to us moaners, we don't know what we're talking about, that Roys job'. Which is a strange take. If that's the case, why criticise Roy at all?

If Roy makes a selection which is perfectly reasonable, but not the one you or I might personally have made (from the great distance away that we are) it isn't the same as Roy being incompetent or foolish. Maybe you or I would have picked Riedewald, Ahamada or Ozoh ahead of Richards - fair enough, but it's not like Richards offers nothing there at all, and the others are evidently superior.

Thats the thing - a lot of people seem to have lost the ability to see the difference between when a person in the hot seat (who, experience and skill aside, has access to information you and I do not) making a decision we might not like, with some form of unaccountable, contemptible error.

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 31 Jan 24 2.28pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

BBC reports says:

[Roy] was able to name Olise and Eze in his team for just the seventh time this season due to injury and their quality shone through.

However, both Olise and Eze had to go off after receiving treatment, but the latter said both players were fine.

"I'm OK, it was just a precaution, it should be fine," Eze said. "[Michael Olise] is also fine. He's good."

Thanks for posting that. For what it's worth, Clinton said on BBC 5 Live that it was only the fifth time.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 31 Jan 24 2.30pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91


See, this is the problem where you have not read my original post, which you replied to, as you had a bone to pick and therefore misconstrued my anecdote and launched an attack on it.

That comment I overheard and alluded to was very much an in-game, real time assessment 'should' and I doubt just myself and the bloke next to me were the only ones thinking 'Of course we were asleep at the beginning and unluckily they got a goal in less than half a minute but they're not very good at all plus we have the quality to punish them for it'. It was nothing to do with sentiment, entitlement or ignorance of football. We were watching the match.

Beyond them taking advantage of our yet again snail-like start, where a RB was all at sea as of course, he is not a RB and our formation was bizarre, and a deflected shot from a counter they very rarely threatened nor looked capable of producing anything defenders of the quality we have should easily be able to cope with. Even for their second we watched them pass the ball around and lost individual battles as shock, we were half asleep and lacked any aggression whatsoever.

All our problems were of our own, or rather the manager's making yesterday. Playing players out of position (most notably RB), getting overly excited about the first equaliser leading to complacency (and bad fortune), starting games at a 'snail in the headlights' manner, then towards the end bizarre substitutions with tactics and formation all over the place and an invitation for a team we looked for all the world far superior to, in that game on the night, to have at us for 15-25mins.

We won in spite of a bit of bad luck and our manager yesterday, not because of him. The gulf in quality whilst we had Eze and Olise on the pitch was enormous and we may still have looked far superior with logical substitutions. They very rarely threatened with any sincerity beyond their goals and we could or probably should have had more yesterday. That was the game, as it panned out, on the night.


Of course. But yet the goals we scored, the attacking play, the win. Thats all nothing to do with Hodgson?

He just takes the blame but not the credit. His influence only ever spreads in the negative direction, and never anywhere else.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 31 Jan 24 2.37pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Of course. But yet the goals we scored, the attacking play, the win. Thats all nothing to do with Hodgson?

He just takes the blame but not the credit. His influence only ever spreads in the negative direction, and never anywhere else.

Iím asking for Roy to organise the defence. To be on it from the start, & to not ball watch as we did for the last 15 minutes. Watch the highlights of the last 15 itís pretty scary stuff.

 

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