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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 04 Feb 24 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

A journalist, can稚 recall which one, wrote that Parish was viewing the building of the new stand as his legacy.

That he cares about the club is not in dispute in my opinion.

In terms of achievement, Steve is the most successful chairman we have had. Although of course the likes of Arthur Wait and Ron Noades were virtually outright owners which Parish has never been.

Everybody makes mistakes and I知 sure he would be the first to admit that he痴 made a few down the years.

But I think his decision making has been questionable for a couple of years now. It feels to me that he痴 getting it wrong more often than right .

I知 sure the discord in the Boardroom is having an impact.

Depends what you call success!!

I would rather be in a league below, having a great cup run, producing youth that's later sold for a profit.. almost achieving the promised land of the prem...
rather than getting there, going bust in the process.

 


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View RH8Eagle's Profile RH8Eagle Flag Oxted 05 Feb 24 1.11am Send a Private Message to RH8Eagle Add RH8Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

So, with respect, how/what are we, as supporters supposed to do, according to you? Are we,according to you, not allowed to voice our displeasure at what we pay hard earned money, following our team? I & the majority of supporters know the people involved work hard for the club, BUT, why is it we are now where we are & for the 1st time since I can remember, in now my 60th season of being on the roller coaster that is CPFC, fans/supporters are now demonstrating? We are all fed up. Telling us supporters to go & stop attending, spend our hard earned money elsewhere, who the hell are you???

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Of course it痴 a free country and if one feels the need to protest then go ahead. Quite a few clubs have or have had unhappy fans at one stage or another look at Man U Everton, Newcastle recently and I don稚 think complaining helps that much if at all and quite possibly hold the club back. I know people might argue back saying Newcastle are great now but the fans have decided to fully back their team now and they have not exactly broken the bank in spending etc. even Arsenal have worked out if you actually support your team positively it helps.
Perhaps our great atmosphere could never last as we would want more from the team over time but surely it痴 music to our rivals if the tension is boiling over from our own fans. We can稚 question SP he痴 red and blue but it痴 never going to be a straight forward journey in the pren. I feel if we don稚 survive this season ( I think we will just about for the record) then us fans will need to take some of the blame also as we haven稚 been great as in previous bad times.

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 05 Feb 24 3.43am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

It is always going to be difficult to determine what if anything the owners have done wrong as we are not in the board meetings.
Going back a couple of seasons we had an aging playing squad with a lot of players out of contract. The recruitment initially was very good with some great signings in Eze, Guehi, Anderson, Doucoure and Olise. These players supplemented players like Zaha Ayew and Ward.
The second wave of recruitment to replace the likes of Zaha, McCarthur and Milovojevic has not gone as well. Our central midfield looks weak and the current crop of Richards, Hughes, Ozoh and Lerma is one if not the weakest in the division. Wharton may improve this area of the pitch. However, is this the boards fault ? Surely their job is to provide the finance to the likes of Douggie and Parish to recruit the necessary players. If the money is not spent well then this might be down to Parish/ Freedman and or the choice of players available. Parish may be accountable but this is as his role of the CPFC CEO rather than that of an owner.
The board obviously made money available this window and Munoz looks to a good signing.
It is now down to Roy and the players to lift their game and address the issues like defending set pieces which is causing us to let in too many early goals.

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 05 Feb 24 6.57am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

If comments by Ed Aarons are true - and he is usually fairly reliable Parish is concerned that if he sacks Roy there will not be another decent manager available to step in.

This has to be a concern as we have had issues for a while so why are there not plans B and maybe C.

Also why does he feel that with the number of half decent managers either out of work or from the lower divisions, none would come to us? Why are we such an unattractive option?

If we carry on flogging players like Olise and Eze to death then we destroy their value to us and any future resale value. All makes no sense

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Feb 24 7.07am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

Depends what you call success!!

I would rather be in a league below, having a great cup run, producing youth that's later sold for a profit.. almost achieving the promised land of the prem...
rather than getting there, going bust in the process.

I suspect you would be in a minority !

Going down comes with no guarantees.

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Feb 24 7.11am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by viveasheagle

It is always going to be difficult to determine what if anything the owners have done wrong as we are not in the board meetings.
Going back a couple of seasons we had an aging playing squad with a lot of players out of contract. The recruitment initially was very good with some great signings in Eze, Guehi, Anderson, Doucoure and Olise. These players supplemented players like Zaha Ayew and Ward.
The second wave of recruitment to replace the likes of Zaha, McCarthur and Milovojevic has not gone as well. Our central midfield looks weak and the current crop of Richards, Hughes, Ozoh and Lerma is one if not the weakest in the division. Wharton may improve this area of the pitch. However, is this the boards fault ? Surely their job is to provide the finance to the likes of Douggie and Parish to recruit the necessary players. If the money is not spent well then this might be down to Parish/ Freedman and or the choice of players available. Parish may be accountable but this is as his role of the CPFC CEO rather than that of an owner.
The board obviously made money available this window and Munoz looks to a good signing.
It is now down to Roy and the players to lift their game and address the issues like defending set pieces which is causing us to let in too many early goals.

Then look at it this way. If you were Harris, Blitzer or Textor, would you be happy with Parish's performance as a salaried employee ( CEO ) ? I think we can guess as to Textor's answer...

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 05 Feb 24 7.16am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

If comments by Ed Aarons are true - and he is usually fairly reliable Parish is concerned that if he sacks Roy there will not be another decent manager available to step in.

This has to be a concern as we have had issues for a while so why are there not plans B and maybe C.

Also why does he feel that with the number of half decent managers either out of work or from the lower divisions, none would come to us? Why are we such an unattractive option?

If we carry on flogging players like Olise and Eze to death then we destroy their value to us and any future resale value. All makes no sense

I suspect that Parish has identified the next manager, but....he doesn't want to sack Hodgson. He may now have to but that's not his preference. That manager is either unavailable at the moment OR as reported in a couple of media sources, unwilling to come in at this particular moment in time.

Vieira was by no means the first choice for the job and Palace are looking like heading down that road again if Hodgson goes now.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 05 Feb 24 7.48am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Once you start drilling into fans feelings it exposes the anomaly of Premier league football.
The Premier, well supported by Sky tv, has become one of the biggest money leagues globally in football. It's why it has attracted so many USA and Arabian investors, the really big money.
The top 10/12 clubs have risen to that position purely through huge financial investment.
As fans in this system when passions are bruised by poor results it is unsurprising to see passionate fans protesting.
All we can hope is that our owners respond. We are clearly stumbling now and unfortunately our ownership/ financial structure is looking pretty wobbly.
It is not a comfortable league for this reason for the less wealthy clubs. e.g. the bottom half .
Personally I can see change afoot moving towards a super league. The idea does not seem to have gone away. I also have grave doubts about such a vehicle.
But it is what it is and while this system prevails then protesting is inevitable

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 05 Feb 24 9.13am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

If comments by Ed Aarons are true - and he is usually fairly reliable Parish is concerned that if he sacks Roy there will not be another decent manager available to step in.

This has to be a concern as we have had issues for a while so why are there not plans B and maybe C.

Also why does he feel that with the number of half decent managers either out of work or from the lower divisions, none would come to us? Why are we such an unattractive option?

If we carry on flogging players like Olise and Eze to death then we destroy their value to us and any future resale value. All makes no sense

Really not difficult to pick up the phone to cooper or potter, confidentially, and sound them out. So I'd suspect this has been done, and so its less of SP concerned, more that SP knows.

to be fair If i was an out of work manager (still getting paid), I'd say no thanks, I'm going go spend a few months chilling out. If you survive, I'll come in at the start of pre-season.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 05 Feb 24 9.34am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Surely it can be no secret in the industry what it is like to work for Steve Parish and CPFC? No wonder there aren't many candidates stepping forward. It actually explains how we've had to suffer over five seasons of Roy Hodgson.

 

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View HesHereHesThere's Profile HesHereHesThere Flag Beckenham 05 Feb 24 12.38pm Send a Private Message to HesHereHesThere Add HesHereHesThere as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Surely it can be no secret in the industry what it is like to work for Steve Parish and CPFC? No wonder there aren't many candidates stepping forward. It actually explains how we've had to suffer over five seasons of Roy Hodgson.

Exactly you don稚 have to be a rocket scientist do you. Pulis did one, fat Sam did one, Hodgson back in the chair - it ain稚 the man in the chair its the man who puts him in the chair that is the problemwe are a poisoned challis until it changes at the top.

Sad but true.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 05 Feb 24 3.12pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Our current predicament is down to Parish and Parish alone. Whilst on the surface Roy does seem to be set in his ways, Parish knew that and you can't blame Roy for not selecting players that he considers are not up to the job and clearly, as he sees them daily in training we have to accept his superior knowledge and experience about football team management. Parish asked Roy to come back because after trying last summer to find a replacement it was quite obvious that the same situation prevailed then as it is still today. I suspect that is because no decent manager is going to put his reputation on the line with the way Parish wanted them to run the first team, coupled with the limited resources available to strengthen. All decent potential managers, prior to interview will do an in depth team analysis of the existing squad prior to interview,they will then have a good idea of what is needed in order to have a half decent team that can perform in the EPL. They can also see from outside that we have at board level no harmony. Parish is estranged from the rest of the board and today in the press (Guardian) Parish is alleged to have said, he cannot find a replacement for Roy, this seems to confirm the above. Whilst it's great having an academy, statistic show that only 0.5% will ever be good enough for elite football so you have to have a blend with the academy of good team investment and scouting all over the world to identify talent in a way that other clubs seem to do more successfully than CP. We have several major positions that still need filling, starting with a dominant defender who can deal with high balls in to the box, Mitchell needs replacing as his positional awareness and defending on the back post is awful and we need a striker who chases everything and is good in the 6 yard box and able to attack the ball. Some of the transfer decision made by Parish and Freedman in the summer window you have to question, For example, the spend on Henderson, Holding and Franca last summer. That money would have been better invested in other positions as none them seem to offer anything to the team at present. No wonder we are where we are and it sickens me to see other equivalent teams being better run than our own because of a stubborn Parish who will not change or move on!

 

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