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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 16 Feb 24 9.38am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

If you can't see it that speaks volumes.

Last night on BBC QT one audience member was complaining the problem is the definition of anti-semitism currently being used. That would be the one that the Corbynites did not accept and Starmer is using.

What the questioner really meant in my opinion was that the definition needs to be loosened so she and her ilk can go back to being more openly anti-semitic.

As does your inability to explain it - we’re talking about two events which are the best part of 100 years apart.

The woman on question time made a perfectly valid point - anti-Zionism does not equal anti-semitism, and I suspect you and others who readily weaponise the accusation know that in reality.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Feb 24 9.42am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

As does your inability to explain it - we’re talking about two events which are the best part of 100 years apart.

The woman on question time made a perfectly valid point - anti-Zionism does not equal anti-semitism, and I suspect you and others who readily weaponise the accusation know that in reality.

I guess the overriding point is that no group or individual should be above criticism or justice.

This is something that both sides of politics should remember.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Feb 24 10.24am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

As does your inability to explain it - we’re talking about two events which are the best part of 100 years apart.

The woman on question time made a perfectly valid point - anti-Zionism does not equal anti-semitism, and I suspect you and others who readily weaponise the accusation know that in reality.

The left have only ever cared about these nuances once this form of commentary started to be applied to them.

They were and are perfectly happy to shout racist at their opponents so forgive me if I think what is happening.....while perhaps not fair.....is at least a form of long overdue karma.

They did the very same thing...held their nose and shouted racist at everything....They didn't care about truth, so why should anyone else care now.

Welcome to the party pal.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2024 10.25am)

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 16 Feb 24 10.35am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The left have only ever cared about these nuances once this form of commentary started to be applied to them.

They were and are perfectly happy to shout racist at their opponents so forgive me if I think what is happening.....while perhaps not fair.....is at least a form of long overdue karma.

They did the very same thing...held their nose and shouted racist at everything....They didn't care about truth, so why should anyone else care now.

Welcome to the party pal.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2024 10.25am)

I find that severely lacking in principle, but each to their own.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 16 Feb 24 10.44am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

""An antisemite used to be someone who doesn't like Jews, now it's someone who Zionists don't like" - Dr Hajo Meyer, Holocaust survivor.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Feb 24 10.58am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

""An antisemite used to be someone who doesn't like Jews, now it's someone who Zionists don't like" - Dr Hajo Meyer, Holocaust survivor.

I agree with this, but anyone on the left has an incredible nerve to lecture on free speech.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 Feb 24 11.01am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I agree with this, but anyone on the left has an incredible nerve to lecture on free speech.

By this logic Kier Starmer is a Zionist.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Feb 24 11.03am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

If you can't see it that speaks volumes.

Last night on BBC QT one audience member was complaining the problem is the definition of anti-semitism currently being used. That would be the one that the Corbynites did not accept and Starmer is using.

What the questioner really meant in my opinion was that the definition needs to be loosened so she and her ilk can go back to being more openly anti-semitic.

The UK, Scottish, Welsh governments and The London Assembly use the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. Initially Labour refused to use this and chose a variation, but adopted it after the Corbyn debacle.

It has no legal standing but if some in the Labour party are unhappy with it perhaps they should lobby the IHRA for changes.

 


One more point

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Feb 24 11.38am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

By this logic Kier Starmer is a Zionist.

I don't really get this.

Are you suggesting that anyone who happens to be Jewish cannot be criticised?

I know that seems to be what some people think, but it is clearly absurd. Criticism or opposition is not the same as racial or religious hatred.
Of course, that doesn't mean that the former can't be a result of the latter.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 Feb 24 11.44am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Are you suggesting that anyone who happens to be Jewish cannot be criticised?

I know that seems to be what some people think, but it is clearly absurd. Criticism or opposition is not the same as racial or religious hatred.
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pretty soon, in Ireland, you will get crucified for expressing an opinion. And censorship coming thereafter to the UK and everywhere.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Feb 24 11.55am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

pretty soon, in Ireland, you will get crucified for expressing an opinion. And censorship coming thereafter to the UK and everywhere.

The British seem to have become disturbingly passive about their freedoms.
Only a few years ago, freedom was a big deal in Ireland.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 16 Feb 24 12.00pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

pretty soon, in Ireland, you will get crucified for expressing an opinion. And censorship coming thereafter to the UK and everywhere.

The total irony is it is correct. Not the fact free speech is being curtailed; just the fact that every one of every colour, race, belief, political persuasion or binary choosing will be fair game I guess. No one can hide so at least “where all in this together” to quote Chevy chase rather than a no mark politician will be the order of the day. Of course there will be swerves and excuses but the good old media will help them on their way. TR will be pissing himself laughing

 

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