First of all, twcpfc, well done for coming on as a spokesperson for the HF, either in an official or an unofficial capacity.

I was a supporter of the HF but no more. I felt there was an entitlement to the seat moves but I supported you still.

But the banners against Arsenal and in the home game after were my tipping point.

Partly it is because, having obtained the best seats in the stand, you have become an isolated group largely singing your own songs that just don't resonate with me.

And with that, the atmosphere is slowly whittling away.

The banners though, were simply idiotic in my eyes. And pushed me towards thinking you are bad for the club.

Will the atmosphere be worse without you? Yes. Do I care? Also yes. Do I care enough to see you remain as a group of ultras (who don't go home and away)? No.

I'm happy to read your replies, acknowledge you did a lot of good, but I am unconvinced you represent "the fans"...if you ever did.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

I think the HF have become an embarrassment to Palace (fans as well as the club in general). The club bent over backwards to appease them with preferential FA cup semi final and final tickets so they could all sit together. Then there was the hugely unpopular move from the club to displace season ticket holders from their seats, some of which have been there since the stand was built and all to please the HF. They for a long time enhanced the atmosphere, for a long time now they have sought to control it. Even singing over other sections who are trying to create atmosphere with their own songs.
But its the banners that have made them a laughing stock to the wider football world. Its a spoilt brat entitled attitude and what makes it worse is between spokespeople for HF and the media the perception is given that all other Palace fans share your views. We dont. I was pleased to see Textor's comments after having met with HF members (another indulgence I would not have offered them). I mean the 'why did you buy Lyon? Their Ultras are "right" we're "left"' Really? Could you be any more childish and naive? You really think Textor cares about that rubbish?
I think the HF did a decent job. That was a long time ago before they started thinking they spoke for all Palace fans (you represent about 2% of Palace's overall fanbase) and before they started putting up cringy banners. If they got back to treating fellow fans as equals, focussed fully on creating a good atmosphere home and away and stopped forming opinions that just make them look silly then maybe all the rest of us fans might start thinking the HF are worth having. Fans might even be prepared to help with funding on some of these initiatives and work together.
In a few words I'd say HF popularity is seriously on the wane. If they dont want the vast majority of Palace fans to completely turn their backs on them I'd suggest they wake up.

How's the fundraising going ?I do think this will give the whole stadium a lift for the final games of the season !!

So you have collected the money on a false pretence and moved the goalposts so to speak at the eleventh hour , that the club now need to backtrack on their position that the space that would bring in advertising revenue is given to the HF for a banner .

Erm , taking it the club tells you to do one which is what I would expect what are you going to do with 1,000 flags ?
Seems a bit arse upward to me , surely should have got the club to agree about the banner before spending other peoples money on an idea if you were going to use it in an attempt to blackmail the club .

And we still need a striker

There was no mention on the go fund page about a caveat with a banner issue preventing this from actually happening ? I don't know anything about the banner issue? In any case surely the best way forward is to show the club how good the Holmesdale would look at a one off match by using the flags , creating a great atmosphere and making your case even stronger to resolve the banner problem?

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