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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 18 Mar 24 7.49pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

I think the 4 points is probably fair given the reasons around the Johnson transfer .

What I don't like about it is the appeal process . Appeal must be lodged a week before the end of the season which means if they are safe they do nothing but if they need the points back to stay up they appeal .
Thats not fair on the sides that are in the mix with them as they wont know what sort of results they need going into the final games

I think so too. Everton pulled together after their deduction, pretty sure they won 4 in a row.

Suspect this will make the Forrest game a fair bit harder. They will be looking to claw most of those points back at the first chance.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 18 Mar 24 8.07pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

I donít think four points is necessarily fair. If they get relegated by four or fewer points then itís fair. They knowingly put themselves in a position where the timing of one transfer meant they broke the rules. They did this to gain an advantage. Whoís to say they havenít already won 5,6,7,8 or more points this season than they would have done without overspending. They should be relegated as should Everton. One or both of them wonít be, which means that this season at least, cheats prosper. Doesnít sound like much of a deterrent to me.

 

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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 18 Mar 24 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Assuming Everton are punished again that would make three teams alongside Luton and Forest, substantially behind us with the number of games left.
I would have thought it unlikely all 3 could overhaul us - even though I still remember vividly the final day of the 1992-93 season, losing at Arsenal and Oldham staying up !
And besides, It looks like there are some green shoots of improvement coming up under OG, which could well mean we pick up points against the likes of Newcastle, Wet Spam and Villa, teams that when we play them, may have little to play for too.

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 19 Mar 24 5.20am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Forest and Everton and their fans are complaining - why?
The club's voted for the rules and then they knowingly broke them to gain an advantage and yet don't feel they should be punished - I don't understand their whining about it.
Sure, the Premier authorities go about it the wrong way and the process is painful but the rules are clear.
They should instead set out a table - break the limit is 2 points reduction regardless and then perhaps 3 points for every 10% over that limit on top of the 2 points.
Clubs have the power to have accountants ensure that this can't happen but they don't bother.
Now the law has teeth we all need to watch out!
Except Man City of course - whose lawyers are very scary.
City should be in League One given what they have done!

Edited by The Dolphin (19 Mar 2024 5.21am)

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 19 Mar 24 6.38am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I can see a time when we end up with a kind of fixed price menu for profit & sustainability indiscretions - then we will see clubs gambling on how many potential match winning points its worth in the effected period if the buy player(s) x or x & y as opposed to points deducted / the penalty imposed.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Mar 24 7.25am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I can see a time when we end up with a kind of fixed price menu for profit & sustainability indiscretions - then we will see clubs gambling on how many potential match winning points its worth in the effected period if the buy player(s) x or x & y as opposed to points deducted / the penalty imposed.

This.

 


One more point

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View stancummins's Profile stancummins Flag 19 Mar 24 7.39am Send a Private Message to stancummins Add stancummins as a friend

The guy from sky explained this situation really well , he stated that 3 points of the penalty issued is automatic for breaching the rules , the league then issued a further 3 points for the amount of money that they breached the regulations by , however as Forest co operated with the investigations they took away 2 points of this penalty (good behaviour) . So if Forest appealed they can only appeal against the discretionary penalty of 1 point ,given the costs involved for launching an appeal i believe they will not bother even though they will use loads of blustery comment. Moving on as Everton are guilty of the same discretion they too will get at least 3 points deduction , but whether the league issue a discretionary penalty on top Gpd only knows

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 19 Mar 24 7.43am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I can see a time when we end up with a kind of fixed price menu for profit & sustainability indiscretions - then we will see clubs gambling on how many potential match winning points its worth in the effected period if the buy player(s) x or x & y as opposed to points deducted / the penalty imposed.

Weíre already there. Donít tell me Forest & Everton didnít know exactly what they were doing. Thatís why 4 or 6 point deductions arenít a deterrent. Automatic relegation or maybe a 20 point deduction would stop this.

 

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View Philís Barber's Profile Philís Barber Flag Crowborough 19 Mar 24 8.05am Send a Private Message to Philís Barber Add Philís Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Weíre already there. Donít tell me Forest & Everton didnít know exactly what they were doing. Thatís why 4 or 6 point deductions arenít a deterrent. Automatic relegation or maybe a 20 point deduction would stop this.

Agreed

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 19 Mar 24 8.41am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Certainly by the time we get to the end of the season with the publicity & media coverage / explanations as to who did what & how the outcome was reached for Everton (twice) & Forest everyone involved will be a lot more clued up on the mechanics of it -

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Weíre already there. Donít tell me Forest & Everton didnít know exactly what they were doing. Thatís why 4 or 6 point deductions arenít a deterrent. Automatic relegation or maybe a 20 point deduction would stop this.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Mar 24 9.45am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

You know, I have been as self righteous and self serving as the rest on here in condemning those who voted for rules and then broke them.

However, if only to be Devil's advocate, some balance.

Forest came up with a team worth £12M (I know!) and were expected to compete on equal terms with teams worth £billions. It just isn't fair. They sought to "stretch" the rules to stand a chance; and they only just scraped it. And now, the vested interests who profit from this unfairness are punishing them for their nerve of seeking to eat at the High Table and are sending them back to the lower, impoverished obscurity where they belong.

As an aside, makes you proud to be Palace. Sustainable and rule compliant, we should be heading into our 12th season. That said, the gap is now much bigger than 11 years ago. I am pretty sure we would not have survived.

 

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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 19 Mar 24 11.13am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by FernsideEagle

Just to clear up one thing, any appeal by Forest has to be submitted within 7 days from today ie by 25th March, not 7 days before the end of the season.

Ah yes I slightly miss heard what they were saying on the radio .

Though your right that the appeal must be submitted within 7 days the leagues rules do state the appeals process must be completed by the 24th May , 5 days after the last game of the season .

So my point stands ,if Forest appeal teams will not know what points they need to be safe and could get relegated in the close season .
Its just not good enough and Im now swaying toward agreeing with those who have suggested any cheating is met with the cancellation of the remainder of the seasons fixtures ,all previous matches becoming null an void and automatic relegation .

 


And we still need a striker

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