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est1905 22 Mar 24 5.39pm
Originally posted by Sansbup In my view, all judgements in these cases should be applied in the summer before the next season. So either they relegate a team, or deduct points this should be applied to the coming season before it starts. No mid-season points deductions. This would be much fairer for everyone. How would it be fairer on Luton who may go dow THIS season and have abided by the rules. The Premier league clubs unanimously voted for punishment in the same season a club is found guilty so its a done deal. Everton, Forest and Everton again to be punished before the end of the season. Leicester are currently out of the Prem's juristiction (them being in the Championship) but they will be handed a points deduction the minute they are promoted too. And rightly so. Maybe if clubs now know a sanction will 100% be coming their way they might stop spending money they are not allowed to spend. I'm actually in agreement that owners should be allowed to spend over the threshold if they front and guarantee all costs themselves but until the rules are changed they need to abide by them
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est1905

22 Mar 24 5.39pm

Originally posted by Sansbup

In my view, all judgements in these cases should be applied in the summer before the next season. So either they relegate a team, or deduct points this should be applied to the coming season before it starts. No mid-season points deductions.

This would be much fairer for everyone.

How would it be fairer on Luton who may go dow THIS season and have abided by the rules. The Premier league clubs unanimously voted for punishment in the same season a club is found guilty so its a done deal. Everton, Forest and Everton again to be punished before the end of the season.
Leicester are currently out of the Prem's juristiction (them being in the Championship) but they will be handed a points deduction the minute they are promoted too. And rightly so. Maybe if clubs now know a sanction will 100% be coming their way they might stop spending money they are not allowed to spend.
I'm actually in agreement that owners should be allowed to spend over the threshold if they front and guarantee all costs themselves but until the rules are changed they need to abide by them

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pssguy 22 Mar 24 5.55pm
Make it a criminal offence with the Chairman taking the rap. Apply Texas border sanctions viz. 6 months in the clink for first offence , 10 years for second. That should sort it
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22 Mar 24 5.55pm

Make it a criminal offence with the Chairman taking the rap. Apply Texas border sanctions viz. 6 months in the clink for first offence , 10 years for second. That should sort it

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HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Mar 24 10.44pm
Originally posted by Davepalace707 They will only have lost if they get relegated this season. One of them won’t be and there’s a chance neither will be. They both overspent last season and stayed up by four or fewer points. You could argue they’ve already won as without spending they’d have been relegated. Four or six point deductions is not an adequate deterrent and other teams will gamble on spending to stay up. Fair point, but what do you do? Make the penalty relegation? It's never going to be solved in a way that pleases everyone Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 25 Mar 24 10.44pm

Originally posted by Davepalace707

They will only have lost if they get relegated this season. One of them won’t be and there’s a chance neither will be. They both overspent last season and stayed up by four or fewer points. You could argue they’ve already won as without spending they’d have been relegated. Four or six point deductions is not an adequate deterrent and other teams will gamble on spending to stay up.

Fair point, but what do you do? Make the penalty relegation?
It's never going to be solved in a way that pleases everyone

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Mar 24 6.49am
Forest have appealed their points deduction. Bearing in mind that they were let off 2 points for co-operating I hope the appeal takes back those 2 points for not accepting the verdict. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 26 Mar 24 6.49am

Forest have appealed their points deduction. Bearing in mind that they were let off 2 points for co-operating I hope the appeal takes back those 2 points for not accepting the verdict.

One more point

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Dubai Eagle 26 Mar 24 6.50am
Surprised to read that they are appealing against the 4 point deduction - I kind of understood it as a 3 point deduction for falling foul of the regulations, plus 3 points for the value of the overspend (£34.5 million) reduced by 2 points for co operation = 4 points penalty. I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way- It will be interesting to see the outcome.
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Dubai Eagle

26 Mar 24 6.50am

Surprised to read that they are appealing against the 4 point deduction - I kind of understood it as a 3 point deduction for falling foul of the regulations, plus 3 points for the value of the overspend (£34.5 million) reduced by 2 points for co operation =
4 points penalty.

I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way-

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Mar 24 6.50am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Surprised to read that they are appealing against the 4 point deduction - I kind of understood it as a 3 point deduction for falling foul of the regulations, plus 3 points for the value of the overspend (£34.5 million) reduced by 2 points for co operation = 4 points penalty. I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way- It will be interesting to see the outcome. Beat me to it although I think your post is better. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 26 Mar 24 6.50am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way-

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

Beat me to it although I think your post is better.

One more point

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Dubai Eagle 26 Mar 24 6.51am
Clearly we were typing at the same time, lol Originally posted by Badger11 Forest have appealed their points deduction. Bearing in mind that they were let off 2 points for co-operating I hope the appeal takes back those 2 points for not accepting the verdict.
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Dubai Eagle

26 Mar 24 6.51am

Clearly we were typing at the same time, lol

Originally posted by Badger11

Forest have appealed their points deduction. Bearing in mind that they were let off 2 points for co-operating I hope the appeal takes back those 2 points for not accepting the verdict.

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Dubai Eagle 26 Mar 24 6.58am
Maybe they are going to argue that Forest & Everton are being treated differently to Man City ? & there should be a commonality of how each case is viewed / treated & judged including timelines (in that respect I think most reasonable even minded people would probably agree) I read that the Man City hearing dates have been agreed but its not been made public & its not going to be until 2025 (presumably thats one of the reasons why its not been made public, because for sure its not a level playing field for everyone else) Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Surprised to read that they are appealing against the 4 point deduction - I kind of understood it as a 3 point deduction for falling foul of the regulations, plus 3 points for the value of the overspend (£34.5 million) reduced by 2 points for co operation = 4 points penalty. I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way- It will be interesting to see the outcome.
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Dubai Eagle

26 Mar 24 6.58am

Maybe they are going to argue that Forest & Everton are being treated differently to Man City ? & there should be a commonality of how each case is viewed / treated & judged including timelines (in that respect I think most reasonable even minded people would probably agree)

I read that the Man City hearing dates have been agreed but its not been made public & its not going to be until 2025 (presumably thats one of the reasons why its not been made public, because for sure its not a level playing field for everyone else)

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way-

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 26 Mar 24 8.13am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Surprised to read that they are appealing against the 4 point deduction - I kind of understood it as a 3 point deduction for falling foul of the regulations, plus 3 points for the value of the overspend (£34.5 million) reduced by 2 points for co operation = 4 points penalty. I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way- It will be interesting to see the outcome. Indeed. They seem to want to argue over the lack of fairness in the system for clubs such as them who haven't had the recent benefit of parachute payments etc. Like Badger, I do hope Forest have the 2 points originally given back to them for co-operation withdrawn. I think clubs have to see that there is a jeopardy in going to appeal on spurious grounds (if that is, indeed, what is happening here).
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doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 26 Mar 24 8.13am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way-

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

Indeed. They seem to want to argue over the lack of fairness in the system for clubs such as them who haven't had the recent benefit of parachute payments etc. Like Badger, I do hope Forest have the 2 points originally given back to them for co-operation withdrawn. I think clubs have to see that there is a jeopardy in going to appeal on spurious grounds (if that is, indeed, what is happening here).

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Mar 24 8.29am
[Link] A grin of rapt adoration fell on my face on perusing the comments by Darragh MacAnthony and I agree with the general thrust of his preferred solution.I found myself nodding like a donkey. Edited by Willo (26 Mar 2024 8.39am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Mar 24 8.29am

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A grin of rapt adoration fell on my face on perusing the comments by Darragh MacAnthony and I agree with the general thrust of his preferred solution.I found myself nodding like a donkey.

Edited by Willo (26 Mar 2024 8.39am)

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dreamwaverider London 26 Mar 24 8.48am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Surprised to read that they are appealing against the 4 point deduction - I kind of understood it as a 3 point deduction for falling foul of the regulations, plus 3 points for the value of the overspend (£34.5 million) reduced by 2 points for co operation = 4 points penalty. I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way- It will be interesting to see the outcome. Well they just threw that out the window.
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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Surprised to read that they are appealing against the 4 point deduction - I kind of understood it as a 3 point deduction for falling foul of the regulations, plus 3 points for the value of the overspend (£34.5 million) reduced by 2 points for co operation =
4 points penalty.

I cant believe that they have found new evidence in such a short period of time so they must be arguing that the original process / outcome was flawed in some way-

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

Well they just threw that out the window.

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dreamwaverider London 26 Mar 24 8.52am
Originally posted by Willo [Link] A grin of rapt adoration fell on my face on perusing the comments by Darragh MacAnthony and I agree with the general thrust of his preferred solution.I found myself nodding like a donkey. Edited by Willo (26 Mar 2024 8.39am) Quality idea.
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dreamwaverider

London 26 Mar 24 8.52am

Originally posted by Willo

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A grin of rapt adoration fell on my face on perusing the comments by Darragh MacAnthony and I agree with the general thrust of his preferred solution.I found myself nodding like a donkey.

Edited by Willo (26 Mar 2024 8.39am)

Quality idea.

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