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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ah so no population bomb then?

Almost appears to be an accepting of sense rather than outdated scaremongering.


The problem with people like you is that you only like statistics when they show you what you want to see.

The predicted peak population was made based on prevailing birth rates. It has an upper middle and lower projection.
If birth rate is now apparently falling below previous predictions, then projections will be changed to reflect that.

Of course, this could change again. Will you get all excited if the rate increases again like you seem to be now? I doubt it.

Fact is that this will not stop population growth for decades to come. There is always a lag between birth decline and population growth.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

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This article perfectly highlights how some people are more concerned with the 'far right' than the truth.

We are in crisis. Our birth rates are falling.

Our governments want to compensate by flooding the West with migrants. This will not succeed and can only lead to the extinction of Europeans.

Here is the BBC trying really hard to avoid mentioning Britain and the obvious impending disaster.

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The BEEB does mention that Britains population is expected to peak at 75 million in 40 years time.That's about 8 million more than now.
I imagine much of that increase from immigration and much higher 'fertility' amongst certain groups.


Edited by rob1969 (22 Mar 2024 3.03pm)

 

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Originally posted by rob1969

The BEEB does mention that Britains population is expected to peak at 75 million in 40 years time.That's about 8 million more than now.
I imagine much of that increase from immigration and much higher 'fertility' amongst certain groups.


Edited by rob1969 (22 Mar 2024 3.03pm)

The birth rate is currently around 1.6. It needs to be over 2.1 to maintain itself. Currently European populations will decline with increasing speed.

What some people don't understand is that as birth declines, the number of people of child rearing age reduces thus causing an acceleration in the process. This will continue until either the population disappears or is absorbed. The only thing that reverses this process is a big spike in the birth rate.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Not true, there are plenty on the left who do.

I

I am not sure thatís true.

What some seem to want is to make most of that which is currently illegal, legal. Opening the doors to all asylum seekers and welcoming all economic migrants.

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No idea? That's hard to believe. Maybe do a bit of research.
As to your question - I'm on the same side as you. The one that got tired of the situation and moved out of London.

I didnít though get tired of the situation and move out of London. I left for love and never returned as I found I was able to care for my family better away from it. Then I discovered the attractions of a rural life suited me so on retirement moved to my favourite county. For a while I had an office in London but even back then was working from home a lot and travelling frequently so had no need to go there other than for meetings with my staff.

The sides I am talking about are those who look forward and try to ensure that all citizens, old and new, are happy, comfortable and equally committed to the UK and are prepared to do what they can to help achieve that. Or are you a defeatist, who believes that only disaster lies ahead, is always looking backwards rather than forwards and holds unrealistically ideas about changing things that are incapable of change?

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 22 Mar 24 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didnít though get tired of the situation and move out of London. I left for love and never returned as I found I was able to care for my family better away from it. Then I discovered the attractions of a rural life suited me so on retirement moved to my favourite county. For a while I had an office in London but even back then was working from home a lot and travelling frequently so had no need to go there other than for meetings with my staff.

The sides I am talking about are those who look forward and try to ensure that all citizens, old and new, are happy, comfortable and equally committed to the UK and are prepared to do what they can to help achieve that. Or are you a defeatist, who believes that only disaster lies ahead, is always looking backwards rather than forwards and holds unrealistically ideas about changing things that are incapable of change?

I'm a realist. Holding unrealistic ideas about changing things that are incapable of change? How does that work? What are the realistic ideas about changing things that are incapable of change?

 

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I remember Cyprus offering quite a bit of money per child. It could have been the actual Cyprus countering the North Cyprus, however, I don't know. I get the feeling a couple of places did it. I almost guarantee that if there were ten grand per child, certain demographics would be churning them out. However, don't think it will be able to help the decline in a lot of countries now. Countries like Japan could probably do it and make it work. I struggle to think of any real Western country where it would work now.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

I remember Cyprus offering quite a bit of money per child. It could have been the actual Cyprus countering the North Cyprus, however, I don't know. I get the feeling a couple of places did it. I almost guarantee that if there were ten grand per child, certain demographics would be churning them out. However, don't think it will be able to help the decline in a lot of countries now. Countries like Japan could probably do it and make it work. I struggle to think of any real Western country where it would work now.

We don't ideally want people having kids just for financial perks, but when our very existence could depend on it, any incentive would be a positive.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Not true, there are plenty on the left who do.

Correct, although they wonít call it illegal

Edited by Spiderman (22 Mar 2024 5.06pm)

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I

I am not sure thatís true.

What some seem to want is to make most of that which is currently illegal, legal. Opening the doors to all asylum seekers and welcoming all economic migrants.

Surely this is Badgers point?

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I'm a realist. Holding unrealistic ideas about changing things that are incapable of change? How does that work? What are the realistic ideas about changing things that are incapable of change?

You know exactly what it means. There are no realistic ideas about doing anything thatís incapable of being done. Just daydreams!

So if you truly are a realist you wonít be wasting time and energy pursuing the impossible but instead do your best, however reluctantly, to work with what we have to ensure we achieve the best outcome possible.

Agree?

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You know exactly what it means. There are no realistic ideas about doing anything thatís incapable of being done. Just daydreams!

So if you truly are a realist you wonít be wasting time and energy pursuing the impossible but instead do your best, however reluctantly, to work with what we have to ensure we achieve the best outcome possible.

Agree?

So what does this mean?

Or are you a defeatist, who believes that only disaster lies ahead, is always looking backwards rather than forwards and holds unrealistically ideas about changing things that are incapable of change?

 

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