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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 13 Dec 04 10.10am Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

Can i just second that ... I do not believe a perfectly good thread about racisme (yes/no) with some really valid points (which took a lot of people a long time to write) has just been deleted like none of it mattered.

For once a good thread starts (not just "we were s*** this Saturday" or "what are you listening to now" ) and it is deleted without any explanation.

I'm very disappointed as I (like other people) have opened my heart and mind to produce honest reactions and valid points.

I know this isn't a political website but does this mean we all have to pretend we've got nothing more to say about life apart from palace, women and music ?

VERY disappointed indeed, makes me wonder what I'm still doing on here ..

Edited by JollyStef (13 Dec 2004 10:10am)

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View saxoneagle's Profile saxoneagle Flag Bromley 13 Dec 04 10.13am Send a Private Message to saxoneagle Add saxoneagle as a friend

Just to let you know - "Retardaliator" made 2 more posts in Gold Talk this morning that weren't in the slightest bit rude or offensive that have been deleted and his username has now been erased.

C'mon Mods - freedom of speech or what?

 

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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 13 Dec 04 10.16am Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

Well said Stef.

Since the post you've referred to (I wonder how long that'll last) two more perfectly valid posts have been deleted which did not disparage ANY users, without explanation. In fact the username Retardaliator has been cancelled completely -- I wonder if this is unprecedented on HOL, it certainly seems like one hell of an overreaction. I tried to explain myself to one of the mods this morning after they finally deigned to explain themselves as to why the thread was deleted... and that's what I got. No reply, just the bullet. I used to be a moderator on here myself, but in my day we treated users with at least a modicum of respect before kicking them out.

It's strange, too, that one person could make a serious anti Semitic remark on the now-deleted thread and not be challenged (with one honourable exception) and yet I am barred for daring to speak out about racism in society.

Poor old Pete eh, he must be very precious to need to back off the board and ask for me to be deleted.

The hypocrisy on here is disgusting.

 

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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 13 Dec 04 10.16am Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

Seems the true face of HOL has been exposed here doesn't it people.

 

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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 13 Dec 04 10.27am Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

Slug, this has nothing to do with Pete i'm sure .. he's not the one who deleted you and the thread. He's got just as many people for and against him than you have !!

In fact, your message to him a couple of posts ago was an olive branch and I'm sure Pete would take that (as you know he decided to not post on here anymore till after new year .. so it can't be him).

HOL moderators : if this is the direction you've taken then please ban me too .. freedom of speech (OF ALL PARTIES) is very important and i can't believe you've just done all this !

 


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View woodsy375's Profile woodsy375 Flag Woking, Surrey 13 Dec 04 10.31am Send a Private Message to woodsy375 Add woodsy375 as a friend

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 13 Dec 2004 10:16am

Seems the true face of HOL has been exposed here doesn't it people.

I disagree with that statement. The Holmesdale online is a website dedicated to fans of a football team, Crystal Palace. At the end of the day, that links us all together, we came on this site because of that reason, to talk about the team we love and the things we have in common.

It is natural for people to have political opinions and the HOL is a place to voice them, however not everyone has such strong opinions, and understandably they may not be willing to speak out, due to intimidation. If somebody makes a 'strong' statement and no-one criticises it, then that doesn't necessarily mean everyone agrees, maybe just no-one wants to replay.

Primarily the HOL is a place for discussion about Crystal Palace FC, not a political forum,, hence coming across people with few vies compared to others. It is one of the great things about this site that allows people to have discussions in this vain, whether or not they are to be deleted is not my decision. But I do know that at the end of the day the 'true face' of HOL falls down under the bracket of Football and not right-wing politics.

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 13 Dec 04 10.41am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 13 Dec 2004 10:16am

Seems the true face of HOL has been exposed here doesn't it people.

The Retardaliator name was banned by someone else's request. It was done this morning and while I was discussing the reasons why to the other moderators and answering calls at work at the same time I didn't get the chance to email you to let you know what's happening. Apologies for that but I'm only human and have a day job. But I will do so now.

The issue is the offensive username and personal digs in that thread. We don't want to stir up any more hatred between users. I'm glad you've started to use your original username and as a former moderator yourself, wish you'd understand the need to try to do the right thing. I haven't got time this morning to argue the finer points of it all but that's the decision. By all means carry on existing topics on the same subject.

To say "Seems the true face of HOL has been exposed here doesn't it people" is quite childish and out of order.

By all means debate topics, but can we leave personal insults away from this board. Email each other, do it face to face just sort it out away from here, I don't give a f***. And Saxon, you're not helping matters either.

Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Dec 2004 10:42am)

 


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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 13 Dec 04 10.45am Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

Quote woodsy375 at 13 Dec 2004 10:31am

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 13 Dec 2004 10:16am

Seems the true face of HOL has been exposed here doesn't it people.

I disagree with that statement. The Holmesdale online is a website dedicated to fans of a football team, Crystal Palace. At the end of the day, that links us all together, we came on this site because of that reason, to talk about the team we love and the things we have in common.

It is natural for people to have political opinions and the HOL is a place to voice them, however not everyone has such strong opinions, and understandably they may not be willing to speak out, due to intimidation. If somebody makes a 'strong' statement and no-one criticises it, then that doesn't necessarily mean everyone agrees, maybe just no-one wants to replay.

Primarily the HOL is a place for discussion about Crystal Palace FC, not a political forum,, hence coming across people with few vies compared to others. It is one of the great things about this site that allows people to have discussions in this vain, whether or not they are to be deleted is not my decision. But I do know that at the end of the day the 'true face' of HOL falls down under the bracket of Football and not right-wing politics.

So if football is all we can talk about then why are there posts about tv programs, women, music etc.. ?

Everytime it gets a little bit interesting and people with a real opinion surface it's being shot down !! Why ? If you got a forum called silly talk then why not have a forum called "serious talk" or "political talk". Then people who've got nothing else to say about life apart from the palace stuff even know they don't have to enter that !!

But just deleting posts and blocking users ??? VERY disappointing

 


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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 13 Dec 04 10.52am Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

Penge, I appreciate you coming on and trying to explain but I find your response somewhat disingenuous at best.

You address my last post by calling it "childish", but haven't deleted it. You've deleted other valid comments without explanation, and even b0ll0cked Saxon for expressing his opinion that the posts weren't offensive. You need to be consistent here, and you most certainly aren't.

You haven't addressed most of the points I raised, just the ones that suit you. Why, for example, was the username deleted as offensive when there are so many so much worse allowed to continue? Pete's own remarks about me when we discussed the war were deeply personally offensive but I didn't cry to the Mods about it, and nor did he when I responded in kind. Stef also disagrees with my points on the deleted thread, but he still agrees with my rights to say them.

Passing on the blame to "anonymous" for requesting the deletion of the username is pretty weak but I'll let it go. Woodsy's post about this forum for being football related talk only is frankly laughable. Take a look around mate.

What I want to know is why other people's posts on hot political issues, or even just being personally offensive, don't receive the same treatment. A quick look at today's posts would show that.

Come on let's have the real reasons why I've been silenced please.

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 13 Dec 04 10.53am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

JollyStef, members haven't not been blocked. Just a user with a duplicate username which offended another user. Posts with that name were deleted but it was only 2 or 3.

 


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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 13 Dec 04 10.58am Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

Quote Penge Eagle at 13 Dec 2004 10:41am
By all means debate topics, but can we leave personal insults away from this board. Email each other, do it face to face just sort it out away from here, I don't give a f***. And Saxon, you're not helping matters either.

Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Dec 2004 10:42am)

Agree, but then delete the thread asof the first post, not after a couple of pages (just when it was getting better) !!!


 


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Quote halfmanhalfslug at 13 Dec 2004 10:52am

Penge, I appreciate you coming on and trying to explain but I find your response somewhat disingenuous at best.

You address my last post by calling it "childish", but haven't deleted it. You've deleted other valid comments without explanation, and even b0ll0cked Saxon for expressing his opinion that the posts weren't offensive. You need to be consistent here, and you most certainly aren't.

You haven't addressed most of the points I raised, just the ones that suit you. Why, for example, was the username deleted as offensive when there are so many so much worse allowed to continue? Pete's own remarks about me when we discussed the war were deeply personally offensive but I didn't cry to the Mods about it, and nor did he when I responded in kind. Stef also disagrees with my points on the deleted thread, but he still agrees with my rights to say them.

Passing on the blame to "anonymous" for requesting the deletion of the username is pretty weak but I'll let it go. Woodsy's post about this forum for being football related talk only is frankly laughable. Take a look around mate.

What I want to know is why other people's posts on hot political issues, or even just being personally offensive, don't receive the same treatment. A quick look at today's posts would show that.

Come on let's have the real reasons why I've been silenced please.

Slug, what are you on about?? How have you been silenced??? You're posting now aren't you?

The issue was your Retardialtor username and that thread. Please don't stir up trouble mate.

Would you like it if someone started a new name - halfmanhalfprick - and started personal abuse about you? The answer would be no.

If you want to talk to me privately about the matter, then email me editor@holmesdale.net and we can sort any problems you may have out. Because at the moment, it looks to me that you have returned to the site after an absence of over a year just to cause trouble.

 


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