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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 13 Dec 04 1.14pm Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

Fair enough Pete. The last thing you'll hear from me, ever, is this:

I really do apologise because I can see that I have caused massive offence. This will be hard for you to believe but that wasn't the intention. I am surprised you've taken it so hard as you've proved pretty robust before, but your reaction is totally understandable.

I hope you and your family have a peaceful and happy Christmas mate. Forget about addressing this in the New Year. As far as I'm concerned the matter is closed for good.

 

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Group hug anyone?

 


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View Petealiator's Profile Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 13 Dec 04 1.23pm Send a Private Message to Petealiator Add Petealiator as a friend

Well alright then, as it's Christmas, apology accepted and merry Christmas to you too.

 


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View tetley's Profile tetley Flag Wimbledon 13 Dec 04 1.30pm Send a Private Message to tetley Add tetley as a friend

we could all learn from Volotaire here

"I may disagree with what you have to say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."


seeing as all disputes now seem tohave come to an amicable end - can we see the return oh hmhs thread now please - if need be under his 'proper' username and not the one that some may find offensive.

it's perhaps the most interesteing thread i've seen in my time on the HOL and whilstsome people ay find subjects like this too political or turbelent for their liking, i'm sure there are many who have found it a bloody good debate.

 


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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 13 Dec 04 1.43pm Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

It's Voltaire

Anyway, happy to see some kind of amicable ending to this ... exactly what i wanted !

Merry xmas guys .. drinks in 2005 ?

When i'm in ipswich next i'll let Pete know .. and i'll even go to Sarfend for the other drink !

Best thing would be a good discussion in a pub somewhere with all parties .. am I pushing it a bit ???

 


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View eulalio's Profile eulalio Flag Girls just wanna have Funt 13 Dec 04 2.14pm Send a Private Message to eulalio Add eulalio as a friend

Voltaire also said "it is dangerous to be right when the majority is wrong". Smart fellow, so he was.

Stef - I think your optimism is running away with you. Careful now, or we'll have to rename you "Pangloss".

I am quite sure I am right in saying that Pete has no interest in making peace with me, or anyone of what he considers to be my ilk. I would have liked to have continued this discussion with him but I understand he replied to my post already, but I never got to read it before it was deleted by some over-zealous Mod or other.

It's a shame in that under different circumstances we might have been mates -- but we aren't. As it turns out Pete thinks a lot of things of me that aren't true, and I suspect that's also the case regarding some of my opinions of him. Such is life. I stand by my views on the war being wrong, for example (and boy was I right about the WMDs), and no doubt he stands by his opinion that I am a pro-Saddamist commie. Personally I'd rather he kept that view, it's kinda quaint.

No drinks. The matter's closed.

Thanks for telling him where I live though. LOL.

[Before this post also gets deleted for offensiveness, Pangloss is the name of an overly optimistic character in the book "Candide" by Voltaire. Yes, a BOOK! Ban me -- ban 200 years of French literature and the whole canon of existentialist thought.]

 

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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 13 Dec 04 2.23pm Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

LOL at that post ! ok, good enough for me !!


Did i say Sarfend ?? I meant Birkenhead

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 13 Dec 04 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 13 Dec 2004 11:23am

Penge mate, I have been silenced. Posts I have made - no matter what name they are under - have been deleted. What else can it be? I'm not being amplified am I?! While I fully understand that personally offensive remarks aren't welcome, that description does not cover all of the deleted posts -- one or two, maximum. So it can't be the true (or only) reason for them being deleted.

As you rightly say I am indeed posting now, but after what's happened already, what guarantee do I have that my posts will remain on the board?

I posted twice on Gold Talk this morning for example. Now gone.

Slug, you have not been silenced. Two, maybe three of your posts made this morning under the offensive username were deleted. Feel free to make the same points again under your usual username. The same username that you've had since Nov 14 2001 where you've made over 6,000 posts. Have their been any problems in the past? I personally feel you are making a big meal out of this situation to get a reaction. Luckily, the only people who are reacting are your two mates (that you actually met on this site) who are backing you up. What it has to do with them I don't know.

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Understood - but no Mods ever asked me to change the name before deleting the thread (including posts by other users still considered valid). Why was I not given that chance?

Even Petealiator himself just took the pish out of the name I'd used -- he'd heard it all before only funnier. So the name can't be the reason either can it.

As for messing about with my name, I have tried but I can't bring myself to be upset about it, or even care much. Take a look at some of the versions of hmhs that Petealiator has used in the past - some quite amusing actually, some pathetically lame - in previous threads not one of them was removed or even commented on. Double standards again mate.

The thread hasn't been deleted, just moved to the mod forum while it's being discussed on what to do about it.

We're not going ask you to change your username becuase we all know you already have a valid one - halfmanhalfslug.

If Pete has taken the mick out of your name in the past, then why not complain then and action would have been taken. I'm not offended by the name but was asked to remove the Retardialator name this weekend and did so. As you have contributed to the site as a moderator and had a betting column in the past, I would have thought you would have found me quite approachable to discuss any issues in private. If you told me you were offended by any of his names about you, then action would have been taken too. It's nothing to do with favouritism.

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I'm sorry you see it that way mate, because that's not my intention. I posted because I could not let comments which I considered to be offensive go unchallenged. Racism, as I said before I was deleted, is a dark stain on our nation and it stinks.

If you think challenging racism is "causing trouble" then this may well explain the attitude toward my views on this board.

On reflection I think the best thing I can do is go. You I am sorry it had to be this way.won't accept my posts unless they suit you, and as I said to one of the Mods who was kind enough to PM me, I'd rather say nothing than work under censorship.

Pete, it's safe to come back now. Someone told me you'd run off till the new year. That shouldn't happen.

Challenge what you see as racism, like you have done in the past without any problems. But why not post under halfmanhalfslug username? Why not carry on debating emotive issues such as racism like you have done with me and others over some of the 6,000 posts you have made. There was no problem back then. In fact, I enjoyed the debates that you were involved in. It was all pretty much civilised. I didn't agree with much of your views but there was no animosity and no censorship and nothing has changed. Why should it have done?

I don't know what's got into you to start going crazy like this. I find this whole episode pretty sad and childish. And to say I "won't accept your posts unless they suit me" and that you'd "rather say nothing than work under censorship" is both untrue and out of order.

 


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View npn's Profile npn Flag Crowborough 13 Dec 04 2.26pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

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View tome's Profile tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 13 Dec 04 2.39pm Send a Private Message to tome Add tome as a friend

I for one hope that HMHS continues his recent return, things have got veryinteresting.

Edited by tome (13 Dec 2004 2:39pm)

 


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Quote Penge Eagle at 13 Dec 2004 2:25pm

Quote halfmanhalfslug at 13 Dec 2004 11:23am

Penge mate, I have been silenced. Posts I have made - no matter what name they are under - have been deleted. What else can it be? I'm not being amplified am I?! While I fully understand that personally offensive remarks aren't welcome, that description does not cover all of the deleted posts -- one or two, maximum. So it can't be the true (or only) reason for them being deleted.

As you rightly say I am indeed posting now, but after what's happened already, what guarantee do I have that my posts will remain on the board?

I posted twice on Gold Talk this morning for example. Now gone.

Slug, you have not been silenced. Two, maybe three of your posts made this morning under the offensive username were deleted. Feel free to make the same points again under your usual username. The same username that you've had since Nov 14 2001 where you've made over 6,000 posts. Have their been any problems in the past? I personally feel you are making a big meal out of this situation to get a reaction. Luckily, the only people who are reacting are your two mates (that you actually met on this site) who are backing you up. What it has to do with them I don't know.

Wow wow calm down .. I choose my own mates thanks very much. I was just reacting as i thought I made some very valid points on the other thread only to find it gone this morning.

Indeed I have nothing against the slug, but i've got nothing against Petealiator either and have met them both. I'm not chosing sides here, just voicing a little complaint I had after trying to make a point on Friday and Sunday, only to see it gone on monday.

I've backed no-one .. apart from myself


Edited by JollyStef (13 Dec 2004 2:43pm)

 


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Quote Penge Eagle at 13 Dec 2004 2:25pm

Have their been any problems in the past? I personally feel you are making a big meal out of this situation to get a reaction. Luckily, the only people who are reacting are your two mates (that you actually met on this site) who are backing you up. What it has to do with them I don't know.

Penge mate, I can't expect you to remember posts from all that time back - but yes, there WERE problems in the past with people objecting very strongly to my anti-racist and anti-war views in particular. It did get pretty nasty at times. I didn't go running to the mods, I fought my corner. Maybe I should have just told teacher instead but I grew up having to fight my own battles.

I think it's sad you reckon this is just done for a reaction. It's to provoke discussion and debate, which is the best way to defeat ignorance and fear. It's got nothing to do with ME per se - hence the pseudonym - it's not important that it's MY opinion, just that it's AN opinion.

I also don't see why you object to two people posting, just because I am friends with them. Why does this invalidate their opinion? I am sorry but you've lost me there. What it has to do with them is simple - they have opinions and wish to express them. As did I.

Quote Penge Eagle at 13 Dec 2004 2:25pm

If Pete has taken the mick out of your name in the past, then why not complain then and action would have been taken.

I already told you pal - I wasn't upset about it. Sticks and stones, etc.

Quote Penge Eagle at 13 Dec 2004 2:25pm

I don't know what's got into you to start going crazy like this. I find this whole episode pretty sad and childish. And to say I "won't accept your posts unless they suit me" and that you'd "rather say nothing than work under censorship" is both untrue and out of order.

Crazy?? Er...is this a medical opinion? Do you think that being passionate about politics is a new direction for me? What's with the name-calling mate, I thought that was over now on this thread.

Finally, you can CLAIM that me not being prepared to work under censorship isn't true. But it is.

Penge mate, this is not what I'd call approachable. Sorry but it's just my opinion.

Edited by halfmanhalfslug (13 Dec 2004 2:51pm)

 

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