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 Petealiator  1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 6.11pm |
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Quote Bexter at 16 Jan 2003 5:55pm
a woman who has been physically abused for a period of time? see, now you're talking physical, self defence, not robbery. Edited by Bexter (16 Jan 2003 6:04pm)
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Lee McB  Van Basten's nephew... 16 Jan 03 6.26pm |
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Quote Eddie_Hitler at 16 Jan 2003 5:28pm
Unless you are put in this situation, I think it's almost impossible to say how you might react. Personally I think I might have acted in a similar manor. Picture the scene. I see an intruder in my house with his back to me. If I owned a gun I probably would have picked it up. I have a 2 year old daughter asleep upstairs. I need to think extremly quickly. If I don't react he could turn on me with a weapon. If I do react I can assure the safety of my baby, my own flesh and blood, and not the scallywag thats entered my house for who knows what reason.
I find it hard to believe, HMHS, that you would just "RUN AWAY" whilst someone is helping themselves to your belongings and god knows what else. If you do, just make sure you don't lock your door on the way out else he may still be there when/if you decide to return Personally I'm fed up seeing all these jumped-up little mindless morons getting away with all these crimes. Anyway, let's hope nothing like this ever happens to one of us...
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 16 Jan 03 6.27pm |
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If these little turds hadn't gone out robbing, the Barras kid would still be alive. I have absolutely no sympathy for him whatsoever. Unless the law enforcement authorities wake up to the growing menace of this kind of crime, you're going to get more and more people who will take the law into their own hands because, as matters stand, the law-abiding majority are simply not being protected. The police are too busy persecuting motorists to devote themselves to the detection of real crime and have even, in the last couple of days, tacitly admitted that they won't be investigating burglaries unless they have a good idea of who did it! I'm sick to the back teeth of the current culture which makes victims out of criminals (and vice versa): look at the Duncan Ferguson case. The government refuses to send out a clear message to those whose intention is to rob, hurt and behave anti-socially that their activities will be severely punished and instead allows this scum to go about their vileness with impunity, knowing that the worst they'll get is a police caution or some piddling 'community service'. How dare the government wilfully ignore the desire of the majority to combat crime forcefully and effectively? Why should these people not face the consequences of their actions while the rest of us have to sit back and accept that 'we live in a violent society' and just shrug our shoulders, or worse, blame it on society? Why should the many have to suffer because of the actions of a few? Pete, I'm right with you in this.
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| Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 6.48pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 16 Jan 2003 6:27pm
If these little turds hadn't gone out robbing, the Barras kid would still be alive. I have absolutely no sympathy for him whatsoever. Unless the law enforcement authorities wake up to the growing menace of this kind of crime, you're going to get more and more people who will take the law into their own hands because, as matters stand, the law-abiding majority are simply not being protected. The police are too busy persecuting motorists to devote themselves to the detection of real crime and have even, in the last couple of days, tacitly admitted that they won't be investigating burglaries unless they have a good idea of who did it! I'm sick to the back teeth of the current culture which makes victims out of criminals (and vice versa): look at the Duncan Ferguson case. The government refuses to send out a clear message to those whose intention is to rob, hurt and behave anti-socially that their activities will be severely punished and instead allows this scum to go about their vileness with impunity, knowing that the worst they'll get is a police caution or some piddling 'community service'. How dare the government wilfully ignore the desire of the majority to combat crime forcefully and effectively? Why should these people not face the consequences of their actions while the rest of us have to sit back and accept that 'we live in a violent society' and just shrug our shoulders, or worse, blame it on society? Why should the many have to suffer because of the actions of a few? Pete, I'm right with you in this.
So slugs, you'd just run away! Would you leave your wife and kids (hypothetical) to face whatever's coming to them? Have you heard of aggravated burglary? It can sometimes end in rape and murder. I hope your loved ones are light sleepers mate, I really do!
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Sherlock  Virginia, Confederate States of Am... 16 Jan 03 7.50pm |
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If I was fortunate enough to catch anyone robbing my house I would kill them without conscience or a flicker of emotion and if I thought I could get away with it I`d employ the old gamekeepers trick of hanging the vermin outside to deter others.I have zero tolerance towards these people.Wring your hands over that.
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| Geoff Thomas Tonbridge - 16 Jan 03 8.50pm |
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I have to say i agree with Petealiator on this subject. GT
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| Meerkat 2 1957 16 Jan 03 11.33pm |
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Excellent post Cucking Funt and I agree with you wholeheartedly. The greatest shame about this case is that Mr Martin didn't do more damage to that other streak of s***e.
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eulalio  Girls just wanna have Funt 17 Jan 03 8.41am |
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Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 6:48pm
This was NOT murder, it was manslaughter through diminished responsibility! That much is clear. I think, from what you've said about Tony Martin in your last few posts, that it's clear that he should not be released, because he continues to be a danger. The man needs treatment, certainly... what he does not need is to be sent back into the exact same situation which caused him to take a life. Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 6:48pm
So slugs, you'd just run away! Would you leave your wife and kids (hypothetical) to face whatever's coming to them? Have you heard of aggravated burglary? It can sometimes end in rape and murder. I hope your loved ones are light sleepers mate, I really do! Fair point mate -- and I don't have a wife and kids, which would of course change my behaviour. I'd make sure THEY ran away first. Honestly, I don't see what there is to be gained by challenging these people. If I find someone burgling my home, how do I know if he hasn't got a knife, a gun, or even a dirty needle? It's just not worth it. Let the little b*st*rd take what he wants, and replace it. You can't replace a life, but you can replace a DVD player. Most of you are essentially espousing vigilantism, and saying that it's alright for us to take the law into our own hands. Fair enough, if that's what you believe -- but where do you draw the line? What about the example quoted of an abused wife, would you prosecute? What if a bus driver ran over and killed someone for swearing at them, is that OK? After all, they could claim they were in fear of being attacked... Where does it stop? Edited by halfmanhalfslug (17 Jan 2003 8:43am)
face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 |
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the despotic banana  Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 17 Jan 03 8.58am |
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Obviously it's unfortunate that someone had to die but I don't think it unreasonable to argue that if someone is committing a crime, they vetoe all rights of protection afforded to them by the state. They are quite happily breaking the law solely for self-gain so anybody should be allowed to break the law (within reason) to protect themselves or their property. Killing a burglar is admittedly over the top, unless they pose a direct threat to your life. And does anybody that burglar a few years ago who broke into someone's house, tripped on the carpet on top of the stairs, fell and then successfully sued the guy who owned the house for negligence?
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| j2j007 in a house, on top of a hill 17 Jan 03 9.37am |
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I read through the whole of this thread and getting back to the point as far as im concerned, if you come into my house with out my consent and steal something I worked my arse of to save up a buy and to make my house look respectable and you think you have the right to take what you want and smash up my house I will beat you till your not breathing with no remorse or guilt what so ever !!
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| Petealiator 1066 Country! 17 Jan 03 9.40am |
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Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 8:41am
Most of you are essentially espousing vigilantism, and saying that it's alright for us to take the law into our own hands. Fair enough, if that's what you believe -- but where do you draw the line? What about the example quoted of an abused wife, would you prosecute? What if a bus driver ran over and killed someone for swearing at them, is that OK? After all, they could claim they were in fear of being attacked... Where does it stop? Edited by halfmanhalfslug (17 Jan 2003 8:43am)
Despotic, good post, I thought you'd following the predictable left-wing red-brick road on this one, jumping to the defence of the REAL criminals in this case, but I was wrong, nice one. All the threads that Slugs had a moan about aren’t about hatred or politics, Christ, all people want is to feel safe on their own streets and safe in their homes, is that really too much to ask for?
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| gambler Kent 17 Jan 03 9.47am |
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I've never been shot dead by a farmer. I've never been stabbed by a householder. I've never been in a fight with Duncan Ferguson. But, i've never gone into someone's house uninvited with the intention of stealing anything decent they've got!
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