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View Petealiator's Profile Petealiator Flag 1066 Country! 21 Jan 03 9.04pm Send a Private Message to Petealiator Add Petealiator as a friend

JohnSmithsSmooth, just ignore the wally, when he's not banging on about his weird obsession with Littlejohn, he's talking complete bollocks! He's like some stereotypical middle-class Kent man just like the one Harry Enfield used to do, you know the geezer; Ahhh, Ahhhh, what are we driving at the mo? Ahhh, Ahhhh, I will enter into civilised discourse if you will too, ahhh, ahhh!
Matt me ole mucker, can't you see that this conversation is over, it was the minute Meerkat 2 posted his story about his mum and humbled us all into silence. Get over it mate, start a new thread about your fav subject, has there been one about Littlejohn?

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Jan 03 9.51pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Well it is now.

 


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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 22 Jan 03 8.05am Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 20 Jan 2003 8:57pm
Also remember that young kids do do stupid things - how would you feel if your younger brother or son fell in with a bad crowd and on his first burglary, indeed the first time he trangressed the law, he was shot? How do you differentiate in the dark between a frightened and stupid kid and hardened criminal scum? Would you be so damning then?
Edited by matt_himself (20 Jan 2003 9:02pm)

So you'll wait to see what kind of person is robbing your house first before you act .. might be too late then, if it's the wrong one YOU are the one in the coffin.

+ frightened stupid kid ?? Stupid definately, but not frightened enough to tresspass and steal .. sorry, no mercy !! Someone who doesn't respect other people and properties doesn't deserve respect themselves. I don't see how it is so difficult to understand .. I have a son and if he is stupid enough to go out and burgle homes when he's 16 and gets shot I would first give MYSELF a hard time for not raising him the way I should have done and give him the values he needs before I start talking about the person who shot him !! And yes I stand by it .. if I'm hard for myself I can be hard for my kid too !!

All these bloody do-gooders with their explanations on how the aggresor should be protected and the person shooting should be punished because 'all life is sacred' : next thing you'll hear will be jail sentences for people who dare to react because "they had the nerve to be at home when the robbery was done" or "they didn't have tea and biscuits ready for the burgler or rapist"

What is the world coming to if all this psychological w*** stands in the way of common sense and reality !! Bad upbringing ? Well, jail the parents together with the kids then !

 


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View Bexter's Profile Bexter Flag By the Sea 22 Jan 03 9.52am Send a Private Message to Bexter Add Bexter as a friend

Matt, don't rise to the name calling. You / and I are not middle class do gooders because we don't believe in taking a kids life for robbing. We believe in self defence but not the death sentence for robbery. These people don't know you and are sadly mistaken if they think they do. Their inverted snobbery is about as hypocritical as it gets! Leave 'em to it.

 

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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 22 Jan 03 10.22am Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

Quote Bexter at 22 Jan 2003 9:52am

Matt, don't rise to the name calling. You / and I are not middle class do gooders because we don't believe in taking a kids life for robbing. We believe in self defence but not the death sentence for robbery. These people don't know you and are sadly mistaken if they think they do. Their inverted snobbery is about as hypocritical as it gets! Leave 'em to it.

I wasn't calling Matt names nor do I stand by death sentences for robbery !

But I believe in respect and if people don't show respect for me and mine I don't see why i should show them respect and let them get away with anything.

You know what, miss "high and mighty" : I haven't seen you reply to anything i've said and the values I stand for .. the only thing you can say is "they don't know and are hypocrits, they are not worth an explanation or a reaction". you don't even reply to Meerkat's message about his mum ! You know why, coz you can't take reality .. burglars aren't good people, otherwise they WOULDN'T DO IT !! But you can't see that, can you !?!

Instead of being 'too good' for us all why don't you give me your vision on what to do when a thief is in your house at night, it's dark, he's robbing you of all you have because HE IS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANY VALUES NOR RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLE !! And you don't know if he's 15 and deadscared or a 35 year old professional burglar with a gun who's not afraid to use it, or even a rapist who's coming to get you !!

You know what, you are the hypocrit here ... turn the other cheeck so everyone can just walk all over you ? Can I please have your address so I can send someone round to burgle you again ? Treat them right ok, wouldn't want you to go in jail while they still run free !!

WELL WELL, what is the world coming to.

 


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View Bexter's Profile Bexter Flag By the Sea 22 Jan 03 10.58am Send a Private Message to Bexter Add Bexter as a friend

I have put my opinions across in this thread without resorting to insults. I can't help it, after slagging me off behind my back on another site I find it hard to find respect for you, not your views. I hear what you and others are saying and I understand the anger everyone feels towrds these criminals. I just don't think it is right for people to take aim with a gun. I have come home to find intruders in my house, I have been a victim of crime on at least 5 other occasions and even had death threats against me and my family. I speak from personal experience when I say I hate what these scum have done but I also could not live with the death of someone on my conscience. I don't believe in taking life whether you are the criminal or the victim, unless of course they attack you in a deadly manner. You can't just assume they are going to, you have to draw the line.

Edited by Bexter (22 Jan 2003 11:00am)

 

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View Bexter's Profile Bexter Flag By the Sea 22 Jan 03 11.14am Send a Private Message to Bexter Add Bexter as a friend

And as far as Meerkats Mums experience, words fail me on how grim that is. Thankfully I can't say how I would feel if someone had tried to harm someone I loved like that. In cases like that I can only listen, there is no comment to be made there except sorry.

 

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Quote Bexter at 22 Jan 2003 10:58am
I have put my opinions across in this thread without resorting to insults. I can't help it, after slagging me off behind my back on another site I find it hard to find respect for you, not your views. I hear what you and others are saying and I understand the anger everyone feels towrds these criminals. I just don't think it is right for people to take aim with a gun. I have come home to find intruders in my house, I have been a victim of crime on at least 5 other occasions and even had death threats against me and my family. I speak from personal experience when I say I hate what these scum have done but I also could not live with the death of someone on my conscience. I don't believe in taking life whether you are the criminal or the victim, unless of course they attack you in a deadly manner. You can't just assume they are going to, you have to draw the line.

Edited by Bexter (22 Jan 2003 11:00am)

Indeed, and I agree for 90% .. thing is that you can't assume they are not going to either .. if you don't react and they are the "bad type" then it's you in that coffin .. correct ?!! Examples are plenty of brutal murder during burglaries .. old people being raped etc.. that sickens me (and i'm sure it sickens you too), and I find it extremely hard to have respect for these "people" (and that is an understatement)!

See, wasn't that bad to actually talk to me, now was it. The slagging off I already apologised for, I had a bad day that day and spoke way too harshly (i also explained that the same day). It's upto you to either take that apology and forget about it or not, that is no longer in my hands. But I have apologised several times !! Also told the slug-man as I know he knows us both and knows neither of us are bad people, just have some different views!

Anyway, nice to see you can also call these people 'scum' and see that the initial action starts with them, everything after that is pure reaction which wouldn't happen if they didn't do it !

 


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View JollyStef's Profile JollyStef 22 Jan 03 11.27am Send a Private Message to JollyStef Add JollyStef as a friend

Quote Bexter at 22 Jan 2003 11:14am

And as far as Meerkats Mums experience, words fail me on how grim that is. Thankfully I can't say how I would feel if someone had tried to harm someone I loved like that. In cases like that I can only listen, there is no comment to be made there except sorry.

Indeed .. shocked me too !!!


 


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View Bexter's Profile Bexter Flag By the Sea 22 Jan 03 11.43am Send a Private Message to Bexter Add Bexter as a friend

Apololgy accepted of course.
Thankfully, as far as I know, most burglaries don't end in the death of the victim. I always said the people who rifled through mine, or anyones, personal stuff are scum, they even set fire to my bed!

 

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Quote Bexter at 22 Jan 2003 11:43am

Apololgy accepted of course.
Thankfully, as far as I know, most burglaries don't end in the death of the victim. I always said the people who rifled through mine, or anyones, personal stuff are scum, they even set fire to my bed!



Setting fire to a bed ? What does that have to do with burgling ? Jesus ..

And although you are right about the death of victims during burglaries I feel even 1 death or a traumatised life (Meerkat 2's mum f.e..) is too much.

 


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View Bexter's Profile Bexter Flag By the Sea 22 Jan 03 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Bexter Add Bexter as a friend

they were using matches to light their thieving way and dropped one on my bed. gutted (literally!)

 

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