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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 27 Jun 16 12.44pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Corbyn should stand down, and the Labour party hold another leadership election, and he should stand in it. F**k the PLP they represent the most unrepresentative party in the history of labour. They couldn't win a leadership contest, and large sections of it have been bitching and sniping ever since. Its pretty clear both the Conservative and Labour party have no real connection to how people think or feel. No doubt they plan to wheel out another Dead Milliband / Blairite middle class pandering corporate stooge. Couldn't agree more. The contempt shown by most of the MPs of both main parties for the will and best interests of those that elect them is breathtaking. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 27 Jun 16 12.44pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Corbyn should stand down, and the Labour party hold another leadership election, and he should stand in it.

F**k the PLP they represent the most unrepresentative party in the history of labour. They couldn't win a leadership contest, and large sections of it have been bitching and sniping ever since.

Its pretty clear both the Conservative and Labour party have no real connection to how people think or feel. No doubt they plan to wheel out another Dead Milliband / Blairite middle class pandering corporate stooge.

Couldn't agree more. The contempt shown by most of the MPs of both main parties for the will and best interests of those that elect them is breathtaking.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 27 Jun 16 12.45pm
Of all the resignation letters flying around I like this. Honest, slef depreciating but hammering home a point. No idea who she is mind Attachment: Jess Phillips.jpg (160.48Kb) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 27 Jun 16 12.45pm

Of all the resignation letters flying around I like this.

Honest, slef depreciating but hammering home a point.

No idea who she is mind

Attachment: Jess Phillips.jpg (160.48Kb)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 1.37pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch You may. Maybe I have an irrational dislike of him but to me he represents the worst type of career politician, of which there are many (on all sides). Would you trust anything he says? He lacks any real principals Expenses (yes there were others) His Wiki entry editing (again I know others do it) The manner in which he a) conducted his leadership campaign and b) the way he acted afterwards was cringe-worthy. He will say anything if he thinks it will help him climb up the greasy pole. What he does deserve enormous credit for is Hillsborough. Agree with the Hillsborough point. However what you say you don't like is the polar opposite of what Corbyn is. I don't know your thoughts on Corbyn's current predicament.
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Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 1.37pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

You may. Maybe I have an irrational dislike of him but to me he represents the worst type of career politician, of which there are many (on all sides). Would you trust anything he says? He lacks any real principals

Expenses (yes there were others)

His Wiki entry editing (again I know others do it)

The manner in which he a) conducted his leadership campaign and b) the way he acted afterwards was cringe-worthy. He will say anything if he thinks it will help him climb up the greasy pole.

What he does deserve enormous credit for is Hillsborough.

Agree with the Hillsborough point. However what you say you don't like is the polar opposite of what Corbyn is. I don't know your thoughts on Corbyn's current predicament.

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 1.46pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Agree with the Hillsborough point. However what you say you don't like is the polar opposite of what Corbyn is. I don't know your thoughts on Corbyn's current predicament. His predicament is that he and his rag tag band of deluded far left wing supporters will effectively make Labour a political has been. Labour will be the far left wing equivalent of the National Front. Consigned to an archive of seventies failures.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Agree with the Hillsborough point. However what you say you don't like is the polar opposite of what Corbyn is. I don't know your thoughts on Corbyn's current predicament.

His predicament is that he and his rag tag band of deluded far left wing supporters will effectively make Labour a political has been.
Labour will be the far left wing equivalent of the National Front.
Consigned to an archive of seventies failures.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 27 Jun 16 1.49pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Agree with the Hillsborough point. However what you say you don't like is the polar opposite of what Corbyn is. I don't know your thoughts on Corbyn's current predicament. I don't like Corbyn's politics, I am by nature Liberal / centre right. Up until the referendum I had a grudging respect for him and I liked the fact that he provided an alternative to the Tories or Tory light. There has to be a counter counter balance or we will just lurch further and further to the right. The way things are going, Maggie would seem like a communist in this day and age. People talk about the disconnect between MPs and the public I think Labours problem is the disconnect between several thousand activists and labour voters. Corbyn as an ideas man may work, he is not in any form a leader. We may not want personality politics but all good leaders have to have a certain amount of charisma. He has none. He should have gone with Brexit which I think he would have been far more comfortable with Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (27 Jun 2016 1.51pm) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 27 Jun 16 1.49pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Agree with the Hillsborough point. However what you say you don't like is the polar opposite of what Corbyn is. I don't know your thoughts on Corbyn's current predicament.

I don't like Corbyn's politics, I am by nature Liberal / centre right. Up until the referendum I had a grudging respect for him and I liked the fact that he provided an alternative to the Tories or Tory light. There has to be a counter counter balance or we will just lurch further and further to the right. The way things are going, Maggie would seem like a communist in this day and age.

People talk about the disconnect between MPs and the public I think Labours problem is the disconnect between several thousand activists and labour voters. Corbyn as an ideas man may work, he is not in any form a leader. We may not want personality politics but all good leaders have to have a certain amount of charisma. He has none.

He should have gone with Brexit which I think he would have been far more comfortable with

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (27 Jun 2016 1.51pm)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 2.09pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch I don't like Corbyn's politics, I am by nature Liberal / centre right. Up until the referendum I had a grudging respect for him and I liked the fact that he provided an alternative to the Tories or Tory light. There has to be a counter counter balance or we will just lurch further and further to the right. The way things are going, Maggie would seem like a communist in this day and age. People talk about the disconnect between MPs and the public I think Labours problem is the disconnect between several thousand activists and labour voters. Corbyn as an ideas man may work, he is not in any form a leader. We may not want personality politics but all good leaders have to have a certain amount of charisma. He has none. He should have gone with Brexit which I think he would have been far more comfortable with Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (27 Jun 2016 1.51pm) Without necessarily disagreeing with any of your points, they do seem a bit unfair at the same time. Re Brexit I think it is blatantly obvious that he did support Brexit. But he was forced to choose between the official position of his party and his personal views. And he chose to do what his party as a whole believed was right. I'm not even sure he was half-hearted when campagining, just that the media were much more interested in the Tory civil war. And on the charisma point, yes you're right. But as you say he is the antithesis of everything people keep saying is wrong in politics. He is not a careerist. He isn't a media construct. Jeremy Corbyn sort of proves that while everyone always said they hated and were fed up with politicians that were media-savvy, full of spin, and underhanded two-faced liars, really they got exactly what they wanted "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 2.09pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

He should have gone with Brexit which I think he would have been far more comfortable with

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (27 Jun 2016 1.51pm)

Without necessarily disagreeing with any of your points, they do seem a bit unfair at the same time.

Re Brexit I think it is blatantly obvious that he did support Brexit. But he was forced to choose between the official position of his party and his personal views. And he chose to do what his party as a whole believed was right. I'm not even sure he was half-hearted when campagining, just that the media were much more interested in the Tory civil war.

And on the charisma point, yes you're right. But as you say he is the antithesis of everything people keep saying is wrong in politics. He is not a careerist. He isn't a media construct.

Jeremy Corbyn sort of proves that while everyone always said they hated and were fed up with politicians that were media-savvy, full of spin, and underhanded two-faced liars, really they got exactly what they wanted

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jun 16 2.17pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle Couldn't agree more. The contempt shown by most of the MPs of both main parties for the will and best interests of those that elect them is breathtaking. I also think, he should stand in the Labour Leadership election though. He's in an odd position, in that he wasn't chosen by the PLP, who are now trying to depose him. My concern, for the Labour party, is that this would have occurred irrespective of the vote, and was effectively a means of replacing a leader that was forced upon them by the Labour voters. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 27 Jun 16 2.17pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Couldn't agree more. The contempt shown by most of the MPs of both main parties for the will and best interests of those that elect them is breathtaking.

I also think, he should stand in the Labour Leadership election though. He's in an odd position, in that he wasn't chosen by the PLP, who are now trying to depose him. My concern, for the Labour party, is that this would have occurred irrespective of the vote, and was effectively a means of replacing a leader that was forced upon them by the Labour voters.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 3.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger His predicament is that he and his rag tag band of deluded far left wing supporters will effectively make Labour a political has been. Labour will be the far left wing equivalent of the National Front. Consigned to an archive of seventies failures. Again you post opinion without backing it up. I'll repeat again that what he stands for resonates with people of all political hues. Rail renationalisation, holding tax dodgers to account, investing in industry and housing to stimulate growth etc etc. Whatever he does he is on a hiding to nothing in the press. The BBC are in trouble again today for misreporting what Tom Watson had actually done before taking the report down. Thing is, whoever is in charge of Labour is on a hiding to nothing unless they offer watered down Tory policies. That isn't opposition, in fact it's the opposite. Do what evidence, other than suppositions and pressure BS do you have to back up your claim.
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Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 3.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Again you post opinion without backing it up.
I'll repeat again that what he stands for resonates with people of all political hues. Rail renationalisation, holding tax dodgers to account, investing in industry and housing to stimulate growth etc etc.
Whatever he does he is on a hiding to nothing in the press. The BBC are in trouble again today for misreporting what Tom Watson had actually done before taking the report down.
Thing is, whoever is in charge of Labour is on a hiding to nothing unless they offer watered down Tory policies. That isn't opposition, in fact it's the opposite.
Do what evidence, other than suppositions and pressure BS do you have to back up your claim.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jun 16 3.12pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Again you post opinion without backing it up. I'll repeat again that what he stands for resonates with people of all political hues. Rail renationalisation, holding tax dodgers to account, investing in industry and housing to stimulate growth etc etc. Whatever he does he is on a hiding to nothing in the press. The BBC are in trouble again today for misreporting what Tom Watson had actually done before taking the report down. Thing is, whoever is in charge of Labour is on a hiding to nothing unless they offer watered down Tory policies. That isn't opposition, in fact it's the opposite. Do what evidence, other than suppositions and pressure BS do you have to back up your claim. If he wins a leadership contest, that should give him the kind of authority to kick the Blairites out to the back benches. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 27 Jun 16 3.12pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If he wins a leadership contest, that should give him the kind of authority to kick the Blairites out to the back benches.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 3.29pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Again you post opinion without backing it up. I'll repeat again that what he stands for resonates with people of all political hues. Rail renationalisation, holding tax dodgers to account, investing in industry and housing to stimulate growth etc etc. Whatever he does he is on a hiding to nothing in the press. The BBC are in trouble again today for misreporting what Tom Watson had actually done before taking the report down. Thing is, whoever is in charge of Labour is on a hiding to nothing unless they offer watered down Tory policies. That isn't opposition, in fact it's the opposite. Do what evidence, other than suppositions and pressure BS do you have to back up your claim. Again you use the age old tactic of asking for back up where you know none can be reasonably provided. I have a personal opinion and unlike you I don't get it from a useful handbook of what to think and spurious statistics. The media hammer Corbyn because he is a man who belongs in another age. What you just listed as his agenda could be attributed to me or loads of others. That is not what scares voters. What does is his attitude toward unions,defense,The Falklands etc. The wise see through his nicely airbrushed populist policies and see him for what he really is. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 3.29pm)
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27 Jun 16 3.29pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Again you post opinion without backing it up.
I'll repeat again that what he stands for resonates with people of all political hues. Rail renationalisation, holding tax dodgers to account, investing in industry and housing to stimulate growth etc etc.
Whatever he does he is on a hiding to nothing in the press. The BBC are in trouble again today for misreporting what Tom Watson had actually done before taking the report down.
Thing is, whoever is in charge of Labour is on a hiding to nothing unless they offer watered down Tory policies. That isn't opposition, in fact it's the opposite.
Do what evidence, other than suppositions and pressure BS do you have to back up your claim.

Again you use the age old tactic of asking for back up where you know none can be reasonably provided.
I have a personal opinion and unlike you I don't get it from a useful handbook of what to think and spurious statistics.

The media hammer Corbyn because he is a man who belongs in another age.

What you just listed as his agenda could be attributed to me or loads of others. That is not what scares voters. What does is his attitude toward unions,defense,The Falklands etc. The wise see through his nicely airbrushed populist policies and see him for what he really is.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 3.29pm)

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Sportyteacher London 27 Jun 16 5.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger But he did cry real tears for the Hillsborough victims. Whilst Andy had his bad past with Stafford hospital whilst Health Secretary, he has been credited as being a key political instigator for Hillsborough inquest verdict when his predecessors and contemporaries chose not to intervene. New found respect for Burnham as a result!
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London 27 Jun 16 5.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But he did cry real tears for the Hillsborough victims.

Whilst Andy had his bad past with Stafford hospital whilst Health Secretary, he has been credited as being a key political instigator for Hillsborough inquest verdict when his predecessors and contemporaries chose not to intervene. New found respect for Burnham as a result!

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 5.12pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Whilst Andy had his bad past with Stafford hospital whilst Health Secretary, he has been credited as being a key political instigator for Hillsborough inquest verdict when his predecessors and contemporaries chose not to intervene. New found respect for Burnham as a result! Sorry, I wouldn't trust that funny eyebrowed t*** as far as I could kick him.
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Hrolf The Ganger

27 Jun 16 5.12pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Sorry, I wouldn't trust that funny eyebrowed t*** as far as I could kick him.

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