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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Oct 16 10.16pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Given that, your statement was even more unreasonable.

Anyway isn't this a Pink Floyd thread? I think your taking yourself a tad too seriously and over analyzing? Its Music you either like or you don't.

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 02 Oct 16 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Anyway isn't this a Pink Floyd thread? I think your taking yourself a tad too seriously and over analyzing? Its Music you either like or you don't.

Indeed. But....

Pink floyd were part of the progressive rock scene, which was pretentious. They had hardly any singles in the charts, especially after Syd Barrett went mad. So at the peak of their excellence, the likes of Jonny Rotten (wearing an "I Hate Pink Floyd" t-shirt), and Dave Vanian (The Damned produced the definitive "punk" guitar riff to attention), brought to the *yoot* a music they could relate to. Even if that was also pretentious.

No analysing required. They both served a purpose. One musical, the other accessible.

I personally like both types of music.

My tuppence.

P.S. "Live in Pompeii" is all you need to decide if you like Floyd or not. Elements of Barrett, Waters, Gilmore,... all of them really.

 


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View mooro's Profile mooro Flag Within the Temples of Syrinx 02 Oct 16 11.42pm Send a Private Message to mooro Add mooro as a friend

Animals is a very under rated album in my opinion, more famous probably for the iconic flying pig over Battersea Power station.........

 


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View Thegamesafoot's Profile Thegamesafoot Flag Somewhere but Nowhere 03 Oct 16 12.20am Send a Private Message to Thegamesafoot Add Thegamesafoot as a friend

There is a time and place where time and place have meaning. Early Floyd had it. Though my Floyd is Obscured By Clouds, Meddle and Dark Side.
Pogressive does not always mean progression.
It can mean noodling down a dead end.
The arrival of punk mean't another choice for us young uns. Going to a rock concert, going to a disco or going to a pub or club to jump about with your mates.
A few would be dogmatic but most would enjoy at least two out of three. We were not on the punk frontline taking the abuse. We would go to the Roxy for a night out then go back home and cleanse our ears with some Isley Brothers.
Have heard good things about Division Bell but don't believe them, gave up after buying Animals.
I also believe that Britpop tolled the bell for the end of the progression of British pop music.


 


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View thebob's Profile thebob Flag Tatebayashi (from Croydon) 03 Oct 16 12.46am Send a Private Message to thebob Add thebob as a friend

Originally posted by mooro

Animals is a very under rated album in my opinion, more famous probably for the iconic flying pig over Battersea Power station.........

Agreed. Listen to Dogs.

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 03 Oct 16 5.07am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Pink floyd were part of the progressive rock scene, which was pretentious. They had hardly any singles in the charts,

If you are judging PF's success by chart singles you've completely missed the point; it's the 250m albums, and still selling at a million a year, that counts.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 03 Oct 16 8.17am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


If you are judging PF's success by chart singles you've completely missed the point; it's the 250m albums, and still selling at a million a year, that counts.

Dark Side of the Moon was in the US album charts solidly for fifteen years helped by millions of people buying it on vinyl, cassette, CD and in my case my one and only SACD

 

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legaleagle Flag 03 Oct 16 9.47am

Its 1971 and Pink Floyd are headlining at Crystal Palace park with the Faces supporting.

My friend and ,young just teenage kids,crawl under various bits of wire and we are then backstage....

Contrast and compare:

The Faces (especially Rod) share their bottles of wine with us and vouch for us as being with them when security for some reason doubt we should legitimately be there

Pink Floyd make us pay to be able to have a jazz cigarette...

Quiz question:which group were cnuts?

Edited by legaleagle (03 Oct 2016 9.50am)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Oct 16 9.56am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And punk isn't pretentious? lol.

It was totally manufactured.

Two words. Jimmy Pursey. It was pinched from American bands like the New York Doll and The Dictators and then Anglicised by the likes of Malcolm Maclaren, It was then made a fashion statement by Vivian Westwood.

Technically it was a production of Situationism, rather than fabricated per se. Whilst the Sex Pistols were very much a crafty creation, it did fit more with the ideology of Situationalism rather than commericalisation of a product (and both Maclaren and Westwood were very influenced by Debourd and the Situationalists).

The best example of this, is the mythology of the Manchester Music scene / Factory records and the Manchester Free Trade gig - The idea of the Sex Pistols really is that it 'triggered punk' rather than was Punk rock, by creating the impact or situation that creates social change.

In terms of manufactured - certainly a lot of the Sex Pistols is an exercise in creation, but their impact on the music scene is what counts - and it was anything but a manufactured music genre.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Oct 16 10.03am

I don't really like Pink Floyd, they're far to prog rock for my liking, but oddly I do really like some of their tracks, but listening to whole albums I find horribly dull. They're great musicians, and I absolutely love psychedelic rock/music, but not the Floyd.

Individually I couldn't pick out a track that I've heard that was s**t. Collectively it just blends to much for me....

But I think its more a me thing, rather than them. Even if they were 'Dad Rock' by the time I was 18

 


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View gbox82's Profile gbox82 Flag Meols, Wirral 03 Oct 16 10.19am Send a Private Message to gbox82 Add gbox82 as a friend

Originally posted by thebob

Agreed. Listen to Dogs.

Amazing track, 17 minutes of perfect prog rock that gets harder and darker throughout building towards an incredible ending.

The four albums - Dark Side, Wish you Were Here, Animals and The Wall - are all absolute masterpieces in my opinion, and whilst their other work has merit I don't think it ever reaches these heights.

Any doubters out there - forget your preconceptions and prejudices and listen to Dark Side (turned up loud so you can hear all the different parts). By the third listen you will be hooked.

As an aside, if you want to see a great live show then check out Australian Pink Floyd. I'm too young to have ever seen the original PF, but these boys are amazing at recreating the sound. Particularly vocally which is often where tribute bands fall down.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Oct 16 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Technically it was a production of Situationism, rather than fabricated per se. Whilst the Sex Pistols were very much a crafty creation, it did fit more with the ideology of Situationalism rather than commericalisation of a product (and both Maclaren and Westwood were very influenced by Debourd and the Situationalists).

The best example of this, is the mythology of the Manchester Music scene / Factory records and the Manchester Free Trade gig - The idea of the Sex Pistols really is that it 'triggered punk' rather than was Punk rock, by creating the impact or situation that creates social change.

In terms of manufactured - certainly a lot of the Sex Pistols is an exercise in creation, but their impact on the music scene is what counts - and it was anything but a manufactured music genre.


In the real world it is an exercise in making money by exploiting the young's need to latch onto a trend. You can dress it up as something more significant if you like but in reality "Punk" allowed people with very limited talent to produce music, in some case independently of big record companies. A lot of so called "Punk was not Punk at all. Just artists jumping on the bandwagon of the trend to sell records, often directed by their record companies.
The late 70's was the era of trends but like most youth culture it has all been wildly exaggerated. There were never many Punks or Teds, rockers or mods for that matter. It was mostly just media hype.

 

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