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View Shifty97's Profile Shifty97 Flag Croydon 12 Jan 17 8.44pm Send a Private Message to Shifty97 Add Shifty97 as a friend

I'm not to keen on the idea of signing him, he is quality going forward but in my opinion he is dreadful defensively, I don't think a fullback like that will benefit us in our current situation

 

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chateauferret Flag 12 Jan 17 10.03pm

Originally posted by mattteo


It's just an opinion, mate. Of course I think MY opinion is the right one. I mean....doesn't everybody?

I'm all about watching players beyond statistics. I only talk about players I've watched.

But when you have a debate about who is better offensively, van Aanholt o Souare and the first has provided like 12 assists while the latter only 1 in a similar amount of time, then it's just normal to shove the statistics down the throat of the one who is still blind.

I mean it's not a 3 to 1 or 6 to 1 or even 10 to 1 difference.
It's 12 to 1 in favour of van Aanholt.


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Edited by mattteo (12 Jan 2017 8.12pm)

You have to take Pardew into account, for one thing. You also have to realise that a lot of Souare's crosses were into penalty areas devoid of strikers.

 


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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 13 Jan 17 9.08am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

You have to take Pardew into account, for one thing. You also have to realise that a lot of Souare's crosses were into penalty areas devoid of strikers.

Why devoid of strikers?
Gayle is one of the best strikers I've seen. Adebayor is not that bad. Connor Wickham is average.

It's not their fault that Souare can't cross.

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 13 Jan 17 9.22am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Why devoid of strikers?
Gayle is one of the best strikers I've seen. Adebayor is not that bad. Connor Wickham is average.

It's not their fault that Souare can't cross.

Adebayor...really?

Putting in crosses was never Souare's primary role, although I've seen some decent ones from him; that was Bolasie's job. Although not universally lauded on here when he was playing, the defence went completely to pieces without him, so he must have been doing something right.

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 Jan 17 9.43am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


It's just an opinion, mate. Of course I think MY opinion is the right one. I mean....doesn't everybody?

I'm all about watching players beyond statistics. I only talk about players I've watched.

But when you have a debate about who is better offensively, van Aanholt o Souare and the first has provided like 12 assists while the latter only 1 in a similar amount of time, then it's just normal to shove the statistics down the throat of the one who is still blind.

I mean it's not a 3 to 1 or 6 to 1 or even 10 to 1 difference.
It's 12 to 1 in favour of van Aanholt.


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Edited by mattteo (12 Jan 2017 8.12pm)


Except no one has said Souare is better than van Aanholt

You make up arguments

 


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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 13 Jan 17 10.00am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Almost Souare-esque great going forward


Does "almost Soare-esque great going forward" not mean that Souare is greater??

 

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View glazedallover's Profile glazedallover Flag Allier 13 Jan 17 10.06am Send a Private Message to glazedallover Add glazedallover as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


Does "almost Soare-esque great going forward" not mean that Souare is greater??

I would respectfully suggest it is a comparison of playing style rather than a direct comparison in ability.

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 Jan 17 10.29am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by glazedallover

I would respectfully suggest it is a comparison of playing style rather than a direct comparison in ability.

Indeed, which I explained to him before but he chooses to ignore

 


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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 13 Jan 17 10.45am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by glazedallover

I would respectfully suggest it is a comparison of playing style rather than a direct comparison in ability.

I honestly don;t see the difference between playing style and ability when you use the term "going forward".
The playing style and the ability to go forward are one and the same in this context

 

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chateauferret Flag 13 Jan 17 11.14am

Originally posted by mattteo

Why devoid of strikers?
Gayle is one of the best strikers I've seen. Adebayor is not that bad. Connor Wickham is average.

It's not their fault that Souare can't cross.

I seem to remember the net Palace population of the box on most of these occasions being Campbell. Pardew didn't use Gayle properly, Wickham has had spells of injury (and a ban, last season) and Adebayor didn't live up to expectations.

So would you accept van Aanholt as a replacement for Souare in the circumstances? I would. Does that mean Souare is no good? Obviously not.

In any case we're missing the point here that however good or not Souare was last season there's no guarantee he'll ever be up to Premiership football after his injury. In the context of that any comparison between his performances last season and those of any other player are to a degree academic. And some of you mentioning no names should be showing him a bit more respect because he has been a valuable member of the squad and he is lucky to be alive. HTH.


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 Jan 17 11.22am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

I honestly don;t see the difference between playing style and ability when you use the term "going forward".
The playing style and the ability to go forward are one and the same in this context

Because you claim that I was saying Souare is better when clearly I wasn't. You are wrong, you either misunderstood or too wrapped up in your argument. Either way just unwilling to admit you got it wrong

At the risk of repeating myself again and sounding like a frigging Parrot, I haven't seen enough of van Aanholt to comment on his ability in any depth which is why I quoted a Sunderland supporting friend re his consistency.

 


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chateauferret Flag 13 Jan 17 11.25am

Originally posted by mattteo

I honestly don;t see the difference between playing style and ability when you use the term "going forward".
The playing style and the ability to go forward are one and the same in this context

By that logic we should be content to play Fryers there all the time. Sorted.

 


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