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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 12.19pm

A bit of a side but it shows prejudice if not IQ Deficiency in persons.

My son school had a French day yesterday, many came in stripy shirts beret and onions / garlic. “Many of colour” came in said stereotype.

Would the schoolchildren have been able to black up for Nigeria or Jamaica day?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Jun 17 12.22pm

Originally posted by pefwin

A bit of a side but it shows prejudice if not IQ Deficiency in persons.

My son school had a French day yesterday, many came in stripy shirts beret and onions / garlic. “Many of colour” came in said stereotype.

Would the schoolchildren have been able to black up for Nigeria or Jamaica day?

Nope, because of the historical connotations of white people blacking up, makes it kind of more potentially offensive than people dressing up as a French stereotype.

Of course it does beg the question why its ok to mock national stereotypes over racial ones - and the propensity of people to default to quasi-offensive stereotypes so readily. That said, having international dress up days is kind of asking for trouble if you ask me.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Jun 17 12.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think it's fair to blame Kinnock for Blair.

Blair happened because of continual election failure and how the Labour elites responded to that. I dislike Blair for different reasons to you but he at least allowed for some of Labour's ideas to get through....some of which have really f***ed the country up.

As for Corbyn representing the working class!.....You made me spill my tea....He represents a section....an 'idea' of the working class....One that is painfully one eyed, idealised and prescriptive.

Corbyn represents the paid up Labour membership. I'll give you that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2017 11.37am)

Well maybe more representative of the working classes than recent Labour leaders. I do quite agree with you that Corbyn represents more of a sub-section of the left that maybe is more about an idealised stereotype of the working classes, than people who actually work in low skilled, semi-skilled and manual work.

I'm not sure that Labour really outside of the Unions has much 'common touch', most having never really had a 'proper job' in their life.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 17 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Marxist doesn't automatically equate to communist, and once again, the Communist Party of Great Britain has never really been a problem in UK politics (in fact their a dead end that's long been abandoned).

There is a massive difference between the British Communist Party and Labour, even its current leadership. The whole 'left wing = Commies is as tiresome as the right wing = fascist mentality.

What Kinnock fought for paved the way for Blairites who utterly undermined and betrayed the core of the Labour party and the issues it was supposed to stand for. The working classes of the United Kingdom.


I don't think that is a fair comparison at all.

Highlighting the problems with mass immigration has nothing to do with fascism. It is a perfectly reasonable argument that can be supported with example.
The current Labour Party is as far left as it has been for years, if not ever, and it shares many of it's ideals with Communism. You only need to look at communist web sites to see how delighted they are with Jeremy Corbyn.

 

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Originally posted by pefwin

A bit of a side but it shows prejudice if not IQ Deficiency in persons.

My son school had a French day yesterday, many came in stripy shirts beret and onions / garlic. “Many of colour” came in said stereotype.

Would the schoolchildren have been able to black up for Nigeria or Jamaica day?

Simple.

On French day make sure you haven't washed for a week after having done loads of gardening.

On Nigeria day send loads of texts around trying to mislead people into giving their house and savings away and anything that happens that you have done just claim it wasn't you no matter how obvious it actually was.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 17 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Nope, because of the historical connotations of white people blacking up, makes it kind of more potentially offensive than people dressing up as a French stereotype.

Of course it does beg the question why its ok to mock national stereotypes over racial ones - and the propensity of people to default to quasi-offensive stereotypes so readily. That said, having international dress up days is kind of asking for trouble if you ask me.


It's actually massive double standards.

We pander to black sensibilities out of some kind of historical guilt trip. Certain voices among the black community are happy to express offence at every opportunity because it serves their agenda.The average black person with better things to worry about would laugh it off I suspect. That's what people with mature minds do or we would all be squabbling every day.

The French couldn't give a s*** what we do because they look down their nose at us in the same way we do at them. It's a mutual disrespect/respect and we enjoy that relationship. It is a mature relationship where both parties feel comfortable in their own national skin and are not going to blub about a bit of stereotyping.


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 12.40pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Simple.

On French day make sure you haven't washed for a week after having done loads of gardening.

On Nigeria day send loads of texts around trying to mislead people into giving their house and savings away and anything that happens that you have done just claim it wasn't you no matter how obvious it actually was.

if only, but not the point.

BTW I have $10mn waiting to be released by the US treasury but due to a cashflow problem I need a small amount of assets. send me £50k and I will help you a $1mn.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Simple.

On French day make sure you haven't washed for a week after having done loads of gardening.

On Nigeria day send loads of texts around trying to mislead people into giving their house and savings away and anything that happens that you have done just claim it wasn't you no matter how obvious it actually was.

And on England Day ban all kids with Labour-voting parents or funny sounding surnames from crossing the border that is the school gate.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well maybe more representative of the working classes than recent Labour leaders. I do quite agree with you that Corbyn represents more of a sub-section of the left that maybe is more about an idealised stereotype of the working classes, than people who actually work in low skilled, semi-skilled and manual work.

I'm not sure that Labour really outside of the Unions has much 'common touch', most having never really had a 'proper job' in their life.

I agree....He is more representative to the working classes since...bloody hell...maybe Smith...When I think of the positives of Corbyn....and I'm a believer that most things contain both positives and negatives when you objectively look at them.....Probably the best aspect about him is that he does appear to actually give a fcuk.

I might disagree with some of his solutions actually being effective in achieving his aims...or that he seems to notice that a lot of working class people aren't particularly 'progressive'....But improving the lives of working and poorer people is a noble aim.

I don't go with the section of the right that think you can just shut your door and ignore people....the 'I'm alright brigade'. That's a pathway to even worse outcomes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2017 12.43pm)

 


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Shouldn't it be "The Right-Wing are fewer intelligent"?

 




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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 14 Jun 17 12.47pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Are they communists? Or are they what you call communist though. Who are they? On what basis are they communists.

Andrew Murray (like Corbyn, another child of a wealthy middle class family) who led Labour's campaign certainly and demonstrably is:
Murray joined the communist party aged 18, in 1976, and was a member until December 2016 when Coryn offered him a job with Labour.
In 2016 he wrote: 'We need urgently to raise the level of our Leninist education. Everything we are talking about, the imperialist crisis, inter-imperialist conflict, war, political strategy and tactics, are Leninist issues. We need to do far more to study Marxism-Leninism.'
After the 9/11 attacks in America, Murray described them as 'landmarks in world history'. He added: 'Imperialism is the terrorism of the powerful, breeding night and day the revenge of the weak.'
In 2003, writing for a Communist Party journal, Murray praised the regime of the late North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il. 'Our Party has already made its basic position of solidarity with Korea clear'.
Murray has also praised the Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez. In 2007 he said: 'Venezuela, for the first time in a generation, there is a government committed to establishing socialism.' Venezuela is now gripped by hyperinflation which has led to a run on the country's banks, food shortages, looting, and a plummeting currency.
In 2006 Murray gave the annual 'Marx oration' at Karl Marx's grave in Highgate Cemetery, north London - in which he railed against the 'world war' he said was being waged by the West against countries such as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Syria and North Korea, who were being 'threatened' by Western powers.
It was through the hard-Left Stop The War Coalition, which is basically an organisation whose purpose is to destroy Israel (they published an article titled 'Time to go to war with Israel as the only path to peace in the Middle East'), that he forged his strong links to Corbyn. He became the first chairman in 2001. Corbyn took over in 2011, and he replaced Corbyn when he stood down after he became Labour leader. After the Paris terror attacks in 2015, which left 129 dead, Stop The War posted a blog which declared Paris had 'reaped the whirlwind of Western support for extremist violence in Middle East.'
After the Charlie Hebdo terror attack, Murray described the actions of the terrorists as 'minute compared to' historic imperialism.
As recently as the autumn of 2015, after Corbyn's leadership victory, Murray told the Guardian: 'All my children are in the Labour Party. All four. One has been in the Labour Party a long time. The other three are all there as a result of Jeremy's surge. But, no, I'm a member of the Communist Party. That's where I am. Communism still represents in my view a society worth working towards’

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 12.48pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Nope, because of the historical connotations of white people blacking up, makes it kind of more potentially offensive than people dressing up as a French stereotype.

Of course it does beg the question why its ok to mock national stereotypes over racial ones - and the propensity of people to default to quasi-offensive stereotypes so readily. That said, having international dress up days is kind of asking for trouble if you ask me.

"historically connotations" which connotations?

It is purely modern day sensitivities.

Personally, it would be nice if all nationalities could understand that it is about engaging learning than the knee jerk reaction.

 


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