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 DanH  SW2 07 Sep 17 8.54am |
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So only Matt who has condemned it so far. Was going to post it myself but thought I would see how long it took to pop up on here. Not surprised it took so long.
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| legaleagle 07 Sep 17 9.05am |
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The response of several posters on here reaffirms again what we already knew in terms of how they view neo-fascistic national socialist sympathisers,here or in the US.. Ho hum. Edited by legaleagle (07 Sep 2017 9.09am)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Sep 17 9.56am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
The response of several posters on here reaffirms again what we already knew in terms of how they view neo-fascistic national socialist sympathisers,here or in the US.. Ho hum. Edited by legaleagle (07 Sep 2017 9.09am) Many of us view all fascists as abhorent - white suprematists, millitant Islam, communists (fascists under another name), historical iconoclasts. It is the left who are selective in which fascists they condemn.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 10.21am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Many of us view all fascists as abhorent - white suprematists, millitant Islam, communists (fascists under another name), historical iconoclasts. It is the left who are selective in which fascists they condemn. Technically, its the other way around, fascism was a response to communism, and developed effectively as an alternative. Militant Islam isn't necessary fascist either. I think it would be odd to refer to the Kurdish forces as being fascist. There isn't a default fits all category for Islamists. Its also kind of true that fascism tends towards being atheistic. I don't really buy into this idea that fascist is a term applicable to any group that's authoritarian - It dumbs down the reality, and tends to muddy the waters. There were in South Africa, for example, White Nationalists who were allied to the Left Wing Incatha-Freedom Party - Their views weren't racist in the slightest - They like the IFP saw that separation into two states as a more viable option for the progress of SA. Also there is a difference between National Socialism and Fascism, which kind of gets missed by neo-Nazis in the US. But I like the details.
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 07 Sep 17 10.22am |
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Repulsive whichever side it comes from
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Sep 17 10.27am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Technically, its the other way around, fascism was a response to communism, and developed effectively as an alternative. Militant Islam isn't necessary fascist either. I think it would be odd to refer to the Kurdish forces as being fascist. There isn't a default fits all category for Islamists. Its also kind of true that fascism tends towards being atheistic. I don't really buy into this idea that fascist is a term applicable to any group that's authoritarian - It dumbs down the reality, and tends to muddy the waters. There were in South Africa, for example, White Nationalists who were allied to the Left Wing Incatha-Freedom Party - Their views weren't racist in the slightest - They like the IFP saw that separation into two states as a more viable option for the progress of SA. Also there is a difference between National Socialism and Fascism, which kind of gets missed by neo-Nazis in the US. But I like the details. I was thinking of the communist/fascist propensity of piling up mountains of corpses. Also their tendency to kill anyone who disagrees with them - although I accept that communists also kill those who agree with them. Both try to reconstruct history by burning books, pulling down statues etc. (The curds aren't fighting in the name of their religion.)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 10.28am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's like every day is a day of wonder for you Nick. Far right extremism is only going to increase in this country as the number of Islamic attacks increase. I've only been saying this for months on this forum...but hey....I suppose it isn't an article written on some 'progressive' blog is it. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2017 11.39pm) Far Right extremism always has someone else to blame, whether its the fault of immigrants, blacks, gays, Islam etc it always feeds on that. Its nothing new, we didn't have a problem with Islam when Far Right Terrorists were bombing gay pubs in Soho. The far right is very insular with its terrorism, it tends towards a much lower key approach, without making 'bold claims'. When you look at the NSU in Germany, they managed to get away with it for decades because they were only really known to the Far Right - They had no manifesto, made no public claims of responsibility and operated as cells outside of official political groups. The same is likely the case here. You'll find that groups like Combat 18 have members will all kinds of affiliations to far right groups in the UK, but those who commit acts of violence won't have active membership to groups like the BNP. The EDL has a scarily close relationship to the UDA for example - but its a deniable one. Far Right Terrorism tends to be about intimidation of groups, not political power - they see themselves as resisting not overthrowing.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Sep 17 10.38am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The far right is very insular with its terrorism, it tends towards a much lower key approach, without making 'bold claims'. When you look at the NSU in Germany, they managed to get away with it for decades because they were only really known to the Far Right - They had no manifesto, made no public claims of responsibility and operated as cells outside of official political groups. The same is likely the case here. You'll find that groups like Combat 18 have members will all kinds of affiliations to far right groups in the UK, but those who commit acts of violence won't have active membership to groups like the BNP. The EDL has a scarily close relationship to the UDA for example - but its a deniable one. Far Right Terrorism tends to be about intimidation of groups, not political power - they see themselves as resisting not overthrowing. Is anyone suggesting that an attack on a gay pub was due to anti-Islamic motives?
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| YT Oxford 07 Sep 17 10.38am |
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Originally posted by baldeagle73
I think their main guy was at Warwick university at the time and he got kicked out I must add I'm not a midlander I come from west norwood Thank God for that! You had me worried for a minute there!
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Sep 17 10.49am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, it's not as though we want extremists in the military is it?
I understand where you are coming from but in this type of case, absolutely no. Whether it is far right or the type like the guy who recently got sent down for giving weapons to Irish Republicans, extemism needs rooting out. The military is here to follow orders and not create or promote policy.
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| Stirlingsays Online 07 Sep 17 10.53am |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
The response of several posters on here reaffirms again what we already knew in terms of how they view neo-fascistic national socialist sympathisers,here or in the US.. Ho hum. Edited by legaleagle (07 Sep 2017 9.09am) You don't care about disavows. You ignore them anyway. What's the point, believe what you want. I don't agree with witchunting people out of their jobs for thought crimes. If someone is concerning the state that they are a risk to security.....that's another matter.
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| Stirlingsays Online 07 Sep 17 10.56am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I understand where you are coming from but in this type of case, absolutely no. Whether it is far right or the type like the guy who recently got sent down for giving weapons to Irish Republicans, extemism needs rooting out. The military is here to follow orders and not create or promote policy. The military is there to follow orders exactly. If these people were working against the state then fair enough. But from what I've seen they are far right, not anti state. But apparently that's not possible it seems.
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