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 Jacey  19 Oct 17 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Sacrificial lambs are innocent, which certainly doesn't appear to be the case for Weinstien, who seems to me to be yet another serial sexual predator who has gotten away with it because of his status and influence. He's an affront to decent men everywhere. And a fat, ugly b****** !!
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 17 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think its damning of us, as a society, that people think that (and don't realise that they're being abused). Also its not just women, men and children almost certainly have been through the same thing (but people don't think, its ok to think I wonder how many cocks he had to take up the sh**ter to get there). Doesn't sound quite so funny then. Savile raised 40m for charities and hospitals. Its called getting 'your defence in early' (or maybe its some pang of guilt, but I doubt it). Sure it's funny....doesn't make it ok though. If the system is rotten, it's rotten...there's no defending it even if complicity plays its part....innocence deserves its route too....Hopefully they aren't all Weinstein....I imagine it's less than before...but who knows....Only the stars and insiders really know. Saville was obviously a highly complex and intelligent man....unfortunately not a very nice one. The truth about what was happening will require a lot of research and objectivity to probably get near reality...Maybe there's a good book on it...but it's a depressing area...My own family had an abuser within it who escaped detection until after his death, he'd been abused too as a child. I'm sure this isn't that unusual.....So I think I have atom's idea of it....but I never like to think about it....you just get annoyed.....humans are corrupt, as life corrupts...it's just the extent with every individual. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2017 2.56pm)
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Ray in Houston  Houston 19 Oct 17 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Research has shown that women are more prone to neuroses than are men. But people should be treated as individuals so a judgement upon the mental make up of Trump or Clinton should be made upon their previous actions. But if we assume that we reverse the positions of power and replace men with women then we would get more neurotic behaviour than we have now.
You give yourself away by assuming that it's just the case of taking a man out of a position and putting a women there instead. It's not a simple numbers game, it's about putting the best person for the position in that position, whether it be day care nurse or President of the United States. Going into a selection with the presumption that any particular women is going to be less able because there is a "small to moderate" chance that she might be more neurotic than male contenders is the very defionti9ojn of prejudice. Of course, a female candidate might be the most equipped person for the job and Woody Allen is the competition, but you'd go with the man...just in case. Right? Or, let's take a non-hypothetical: Do you think Hillary Clinton would have stirred up a hornets nest in North Korea; destabilized world security by threatening to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal; deliberately sabotaged the U.S. health insurance market - costing 1 million people their insurance coverage, putting up premiums for all by as much as 20% and the treasury 200 billion dollars in the process; ignored the major disaster unfolding in Puerto Rico (other than lobbing a few rolls of paper towels at people); and got into not one, not two, but three public hissy fits with the families of active military personnel killed in the line of duty while spending half her time golfing?
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| Ray in Houston Houston 19 Oct 17 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Sacrificial lambs are innocent, which certainly doesn't appear to be the case for Weinstien, who seems to me to be yet another serial sexual predator who has gotten away with it because of his status and influence. He's an affront to decent men everywhere.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 17 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
So that's it? Just lock up all women in the kitchen because there is a higher propensity for neuroses? Even though the link you gave stated that "a 2010 review found personality differences between genders to be between small and moderate." Nope, I believe in meritocracy. Unstable behaviour is unstable behaviour...But judge the individual...if a woman's good enough it doesn't matter to me....I'm sure personality differences are between small and moderate....not insignificant though.....Again Ray....fairness, not equality....just to wind you up. Originally posted by Ray in Houston
You give yourself away by assuming that it's just the case of taking a man out of a position and putting a women there instead. It's not a simple numbers game, it's about putting the best person for the position in that position, whether it be day care nurse or President of the United States. Give myself away? I'm honest about my beliefs. I'm not sure what that means....I have my preferences for different genders in different roles but I agree with you....meritocracy works. Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Going into a selection with the presumption that any particular women is going to be less able because there is a "small to moderate" chance that she might be more neurotic than male contenders is the very defionti9ojn of prejudice. Of course, a female candidate might be the most equipped person for the job and Woody Allen is the competition, but you'd go with the man...just in case. Right? Judge the individual against the demands of the job. Woody Allen? Ray, you're waffling. Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Or, let's take a non-hypothetical: Do you think Hillary Clinton would have stirred up a hornets nest in North Korea; destabilized world security by threatening to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal; deliberately sabotaged the U.S. health insurance market - costing 1 million people their insurance coverage, putting up premiums for all by as much as 20% and the treasury 200 billion dollars in the process; ignored the major disaster unfolding in Puerto Rico (other than lobbing a few rolls of paper towels at people); and got into not one, not two, but three public hissy fits with the families of active military personnel killed in the line of duty while spending half her time golfing? We don't know what Clinton would have done. Maybe we'd be at war with Russia over Syria....but I doubt it. The reasons Trump won are multifaceted......I was happy Clinton lost....but that's not the same as saying I supported Trump. I like aspects about Trump that you hate..but I'm no republican. If Sanders had ran I would have probably preferred him. Clinton being a female wasn't the reason I didn't like her....I liked Thatcher as a leader. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2017 5.18pm)
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 17 4.10pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Not a lot coming out in Hollywood at the moment....closing ranks?
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| Ray in Houston Houston 19 Oct 17 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not a lot coming out in Hollywood at the moment....closing ranks?
They're going to try and attach all their sins to Harvey Scapegoat and toss him over a cliff. I hope that we don't let this happen, and we allow people the space to call out abusers like Weinstein. An obvious correlation is with police using excessive force with black men - no longer is there a knee jerk reaction that the victim is lying and the press gives space to such accusations. Once we move off the "they deserved it / they asked for it" default position, anything can happen.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 17 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
They're going to try and attach all their sins to Harvey Scapegoat and toss him over a cliff. I hope that we don't let this happen, and we allow people the space to call out abusers like Weinstein. An obvious correlation is with police using excessive force with black men - no longer is there a knee jerk reaction that the victim is lying and the press gives space to such accusations. Once we move off the "they deserved it / they asked for it" default position, anything can happen. Nothing will happen Ray....that's the truth of it. Human nature never changes.....The powerful exploit the weak....You could change it around, upside down...anyway you like. You can change the description....but nothing changes. But you can provide a way for more easily catching the obvious or stupid ones....sure....Should have always been the case.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 17 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Straight from the 'man' who said don't put words in my mouth. You could have written that article. I'm not sure how Trump Jnr saying if you don't like being harassed get out of the workplace has anything to do with putting words in people's mouths. You've also said you weren't going to engage with me. Not a man of your word are you? Tsk.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 17 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Its generally kind of true, but men have a higher propensity for psychosis. As a rule, you'd rather have neurotic disorder than a psychotic disorder (the former being much more treatable outside of medication). Rates of clinical depression are roughly equal when you compensate for post-natal depression etc. Most personality disorders tend to be male (outside of borderline personality disorder, which is roughly 50-50) So its swings and roundabouts really, yeah women are slightly more prone to Neurotic disorders (Compuslive Disorder, OCD, eating disorders etc) but men are far more likely to develop psychotic disorders (schizophrenia and mania - although rates of bi-polar tend to be higher in women if I remember rightly, and account for most psychosis among women)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 17 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nothing will happen Ray....that's the truth of it. Human nature never changes.....The powerful exploit the weak....You could change it around, upside down...anyway you like. You can change the description....but nothing changes. But you can provide a way for more easily catching the obvious or stupid ones....sure....Should have always been the case. You can shift the balance of power, and the system of power inherent in society.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Oct 17 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You can shift the balance of power, and the system of power inherent in society.
And you won't manage to change the nature of the jobs without weakening the economics. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2017 7.06pm)
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