I don’t have an agenda

I just don’t understand why you have to be so bitter all the time. It spoils my enjoyment of a ferocious debate.

If I am a school sneak I guess that is an admission of sorts that there is something to sneak on. It is yet another example of unpleasant labelling.

To be fair, the 'shackles' narrative is the correct one. How can it be good for a country to have to rely on 26 others, with most of them smaller than the population of your capital city, to agree on anything before you can sign trade agreements and so on?

By not joining up to the Euro, it is clear that we already have an advantage in being able to set out our own interest rates and so on so it makes sense to extend that to all our economic interests.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Try this one. The very first post that you addressed directly to me.

Pitiful.

Stevie Nick(s)

Pro USA & Israel

Well firstly I would say that the more vociferous leavers aren’t very magnanimous winners. But it’s unrealistic to expect magnanimity given the strength of feeling on both sides. Leavers have never felt very secure in their victory as May’s Government immediately began to back track on the promise to leave. So they found it necessary to continue making the case for leave and this provoked a response from disgruntled remainers.

It’s probably also true to say that the more vociferous leavers are those with the more contentious views. We had a customer in the deli a few days after the referendum who rather sheepishly admitted to having voted leave. He was so inoffensive that I almost felt sorry for him.

But those remainers who play the sovereignty card, frequently come across as the kind of knobs who sing “No Surrender!” at England matches. Nothing’s going to get on a decent card carrying Grauniad reader’s tits more than nationalist sentiment. It’s like oil and water, they just don’t mix.

But there are also plenty of knobs on the remain side of the debate.

What interests me more than the vitriol is how the nation, no, how the entire Western World became so divided? I have an opinion on the subject, which would undoubtedly generate more vitriol. So I won’t share it.

We’ve discussed labelling theory before. It is simplistic and makes it easy to discount all of what is being said, even where there are parts that have good logic.