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Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 1.45pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm obviously mostly talking about their cultural and internal protection of national identity and how its benefited them long term. Their economic policy decisions might be related but it's a bit of a leap to say that because I admire Japan that it means 'I support that' or 'I support this'. Each situation on its own terms. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.31pm) Don't forget genetics too. You believe that certain genetic aka racial variations are more helpful to a nation than others after all.
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Tawny

Croydon 12 Dec 18 1.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm obviously mostly talking about their cultural and internal protection of national identity and how its benefited them long term.

Their economic policy decisions might be related but it's a bit of a leap to say that because I admire Japan that it means 'I support that' or 'I support this'.

Each situation on its own terms.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.31pm)

Don't forget genetics too. You believe that certain genetic aka racial variations are more helpful to a nation than others after all.

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 1.50pm
Originally posted by Tawny Don't forget genetics too. You believe that certain genetic aka racial variations are more helpful to a nation than others after all. Are you the previous poster, 'Word Up'? Both genetics and culture have affects. This is a complicated subject and it's obvious what you are trying to do there. Nevertheless it's true that all nations have IQ averages and yes over time that has had an affect upon their success......You can actually correlate that success to the economies of countries...though IQ is only one factor in a country...and indeed an invidual's success or failure....but it's the single largest factor....but other factors matter as well. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 1.50pm

Originally posted by Tawny

Don't forget genetics too. You believe that certain genetic aka racial variations are more helpful to a nation than others after all.

Are you the previous poster, 'Word Up'?

Both genetics and culture have affects. This is a complicated subject and it's obvious what you are trying to do there. Nevertheless it's true that all nations have IQ averages and yes over time that has had an affect upon their success......You can actually correlate that success to the economies of countries...though IQ is only one factor in a country...and indeed an invidual's success or failure....but it's the single largest factor....but other factors matter as well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.53pm)

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Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 1.55pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Are you the previous poster, 'Word Up'? Both genetics and culture have affects. This is a complicated subject and it's obvious what you are trying to do there. Nevertheless it's true that all nations have IQ averages and yes over time that has had an affect upon their success......You can actually correlate that success to the economies of countries...though IQ is only one factor in a country...and indeed an invidual's success or failure....but it's the single largest factor. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.52pm) What am I doing? Other than suggesting that your views towards people differ based on their race. There is no point in calling people racist. It is better just to say that you clearly view people differently based on the colour of their skin. Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.04pm)
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Croydon 12 Dec 18 1.55pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Are you the previous poster, 'Word Up'?

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 1.52pm)

What am I doing? Other than suggesting that your views towards people differ based on their race. There is no point in calling people racist. It is better just to say that you clearly view people differently based on the colour of their skin.

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.04pm)

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 2.04pm
Originally posted by Tawny What am I doing? Other than suggesting that your views towards people differ based on their race. There is no point in calling people racist. It is better just to say that you clearly view people differently based on the colour of their skin. Are you the previous poster 'Word Up'? It's a simple yes or no question. No individual is defined by their race....that's what being an individual means. However, it's also wrong to ignore realities at large scales. I get the impression that for you that's racism.....I think you see nature as racist. I value my identity, but that doesn't mean that I don't value the identity of others, whatever that identity is. The fact that genetics, on the large scales, has something to say isn't anything I designed.....How nations best navigate the future for their children is subjective and I'm of the view that you learn from what nature tells you instead of ignore it for your own fantasy based ideologies of how you'd like the world to be. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 2.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 2.04pm

Originally posted by Tawny

Are you the previous poster 'Word Up'? It's a simple yes or no question.

No individual is defined by their race....that's what being an individual means. However, it's also wrong to ignore realities at large scales. I get the impression that for you that's racism.....I think you see nature as racist.

I value my identity, but that doesn't mean that I don't value the identity of others, whatever that identity is.

The fact that genetics, on the large scales, has something to say isn't anything I designed.....How nations best navigate the future for their children is subjective and I'm of the view that you learn from what nature tells you instead of ignore it for your own fantasy based ideologies of how you'd like the world to be.

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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 18 2.06pm
All the noises are that Mrs May will win comfortably. I guess the MPs are hoping she can save their jobs or they don't like any of the alternate leaders. Sounds like a Whitehall farce "Carry on commons" One more point
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Beckenham 12 Dec 18 2.06pm

All the noises are that Mrs May will win comfortably. I guess the MPs are hoping she can save their jobs or they don't like any of the alternate leaders.

Sounds like a Whitehall farce "Carry on commons"

One more point

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Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Are you the previous poster 'Word Up'? No individual is defined by their race....that's what being an individual means. However, it's also wrong to ignore realities at large scales. I get the impression that for you that's racism.....I think you see nature as racist. I value my identity, but that doesn't mean that I don't value the identity of others, whatever that identity is. The fact that genetics, on the large scales, has something to say isn't anything I designed.....How nations best navigate the future for their children is subjective and I'm of the view that you learn from what nature tells you instead of ignore it for your own fantasy based ideologies of how you'd like the world to be. Gussett, wordup, steve1984. Let's see if I can reach 10. The ghosts of HOL past and present. You keep pussyfooting around the fact that your primary area of focus on genetics is on race of blacks and African nations. If you feel this is a reality of the world and of nature then what exactly politically or socially are you saying you would do? Are you saying that people of different races should be taught in different environments? I doubt it. Are you saying that we should select who we let into our nation based on race? If you have no practical actionable view on what you actually feel should be done based on what you believe then you're going around in circles. Bring on a day when we're all mixed enough so that people with your take on things can't latch onto such differences as their own personal comfort blanket. Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.14pm)
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Tawny

Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Are you the previous poster 'Word Up'?

I value my identity, but that doesn't mean that I don't value the identity of others, whatever that identity is.

Gussett, wordup, steve1984. Let's see if I can reach 10. The ghosts of HOL past and present.

You keep pussyfooting around the fact that your primary area of focus on genetics is on race of blacks and African nations. If you feel this is a reality of the world and of nature then what exactly politically or socially are you saying you would do? Are you saying that people of different races should be taught in different environments? I doubt it. Are you saying that we should select who we let into our nation based on race? If you have no practical actionable view on what you actually feel should be done based on what you believe then you're going around in circles. Bring on a day when we're all mixed enough so that people with your take on things can't latch onto such differences as their own personal comfort blanket.

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.14pm)

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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.19pm
Originally posted by Badger11 All the noises are that Mrs May will win comfortably. I guess the MPs are hoping she can save their jobs or they don't like any of the alternate leaders. Sounds like a Whitehall farce "Carry on commons" Do the rebels have any plan, any idea of a replacement, or a way forward ?????? No, brexiteers to a man (or woman). Getting well and truly fed up with it.
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steeleye20

Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.19pm

Originally posted by Badger11

All the noises are that Mrs May will win comfortably. I guess the MPs are hoping she can save their jobs or they don't like any of the alternate leaders.

Sounds like a Whitehall farce "Carry on commons"

Do the rebels have any plan, any idea of a replacement, or a way forward ??????

No, brexiteers to a man (or woman).

Getting well and truly fed up with it.

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chris123 hove actually 12 Dec 18 2.29pm
Originally posted by Badger11 All the noises are that Mrs May will win comfortably. I guess the MPs are hoping she can save their jobs or they don't like any of the alternate leaders. Sounds like a Whitehall farce "Carry on commons" I hope she does, not blue, but disloyalty is something I loathe wherever it occurs.
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hove actually 12 Dec 18 2.29pm

Originally posted by Badger11

All the noises are that Mrs May will win comfortably. I guess the MPs are hoping she can save their jobs or they don't like any of the alternate leaders.

Sounds like a Whitehall farce "Carry on commons"

I hope she does, not blue, but disloyalty is something I loathe wherever it occurs.

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 2.41pm
Originally posted by Tawny Gussett, wordup, steve1984. Let's see if I can reach 10. The ghosts of HOL past and present. You keep pussyfooting around the fact that your primary area of focus on genetics is on race of blacks and African nations. If you feel this is a reality of the world and of nature then what exactly politically or socially are you saying you would do? Are you saying that people of different races should be taught in different environments? I doubt it. Are you saying that we should select who we let into our nation based on race? If you have no practical actionable view on what you actually feel should be done based on what you believe then you're going around in circles. Bring on a day when we're all mixed enough so that people with your take on things can't latch onto such differences as their own personal comfort blanket. Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.14pm) You still haven't answered the rather simple question as to whether you're WordUp of not......I'm taking that as affirmative then....as it was a simple matter to state otherwise. You want to know what I would do based upon the knowledge I now know? Ok, I've stated it before on here but perhaps you were in self imposed exile on the bbs so missed it. This is said in the direct knowledge that none of this will be enacted of course and that the long term future for this country isn't a great one. All immigration to be number capped, but at different levels for different industries.....In a sense similar but not the same as the Japanese immigration system. Get rid of dual nationality and revert to only one allowed. Make naturalisation more difficult....again similar to the Japanese system. Essentially, take on policies to keep those who genuinely identify as English in control in England. This isn't a skin colour but most definitely about being English without mixed allegiance. Non European immigration to be IQ and qualification based upon entry. Ban male circumcision outside of medical need. Ban the preparation and sale of halal meat. Pass laws to make stripping citizenship easier for those on Islamic watch lists and negotiate a cash deal with a country like pakistan to take them.....after that pause to review the system. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Dec 18 2.41pm

Originally posted by Tawny

Gussett, wordup, steve1984. Let's see if I can reach 10. The ghosts of HOL past and present.

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.14pm)

You still haven't answered the rather simple question as to whether you're WordUp of not......I'm taking that as affirmative then....as it was a simple matter to state otherwise.

You want to know what I would do based upon the knowledge I now know?

Ok, I've stated it before on here but perhaps you were in self imposed exile on the bbs so missed it.

This is said in the direct knowledge that none of this will be enacted of course and that the long term future for this country isn't a great one.

All immigration to be number capped, but at different levels for different industries.....In a sense similar but not the same as the Japanese immigration system.

Get rid of dual nationality and revert to only one allowed. Make naturalisation more difficult....again similar to the Japanese system.

Essentially, take on policies to keep those who genuinely identify as English in control in England. This isn't a skin colour but most definitely about being English without mixed allegiance.

Non European immigration to be IQ and qualification based upon entry.

Ban male circumcision outside of medical need.

Ban the preparation and sale of halal meat.

Pass laws to make stripping citizenship easier for those on Islamic watch lists and negotiate a cash deal with a country like pakistan to take them.....after that pause to review the system.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You still haven't answered the rather simple question as to whether you're WordUp of not......I'm taking that as affirmative then....as it was a simple matter to state otherwise. You want to know what I would do based upon the knowledge I now know? Ok, I've stated it before on here but perhaps you were in self imposed exile on the bbs so missed it. This is said in the direct knowledge that none of this will be enacted of course and that the long term future for this country isn't a great one. All immigration to be number capped, but at different levels for different industries.....In a sense similar but not the same as the Japanese immigration system. Get rid of dual nationality and revert to only one allowed. Make naturalisation more difficult....again similar to the Japanese system. Essentially, take on policies to keep those who genuinely identify as English in control in England. This isn't a skin colour but most definitely about being English without mixed allegiance. Non European immigration to be IQ and qualification based upon entry. Ban male circumcision outside of medical need. Ban the preparation and sale of halal meat. Pass laws to make stripping citizenship easier for those on Islamic watch lists and negotiate a cash deal with a country like pakistan to take them.....after that pause to review the system. If IQ is what is important to you why would you IQ test non European immigrants but not European ones? It's almost as if individuals less genetically close to you will need to go the extra mile to prove their worth. Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.49pm)
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Tawny

Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You still haven't answered the rather simple question as to whether you're WordUp of not......I'm taking that as affirmative then....as it was a simple matter to state otherwise.

You want to know what I would do based upon the knowledge I now know?

Ok, I've stated it before on here but perhaps you were in self imposed exile on the bbs so missed it.

This is said in the direct knowledge that none of this will be enacted of course and that the long term future for this country isn't a great one.

All immigration to be number capped, but at different levels for different industries.....In a sense similar but not the same as the Japanese immigration system.

Get rid of dual nationality and revert to only one allowed. Make naturalisation more difficult....again similar to the Japanese system.

Essentially, take on policies to keep those who genuinely identify as English in control in England. This isn't a skin colour but most definitely about being English without mixed allegiance.

Non European immigration to be IQ and qualification based upon entry.

Ban male circumcision outside of medical need.

Ban the preparation and sale of halal meat.

Pass laws to make stripping citizenship easier for those on Islamic watch lists and negotiate a cash deal with a country like pakistan to take them.....after that pause to review the system.

If IQ is what is important to you why would you IQ test non European immigrants but not European ones? It's almost as if individuals less genetically close to you will need to go the extra mile to prove their worth.

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.49pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.55pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You still haven't answered the rather simple question as to whether you're WordUp of not......I'm taking that as affirmative then....as it was a simple matter to state otherwise. You want to know what I would do based upon the knowledge I now know? Ok, I've stated it before on here but perhaps you were in self imposed exile on the bbs so missed it. This is said in the direct knowledge that none of this will be enacted of course and that the long term future for this country isn't a great one. All immigration to be number capped, but at different levels for different industries.....In a sense similar but not the same as the Japanese immigration system. Get rid of dual nationality and revert to only one allowed. Make naturalisation more difficult....again similar to the Japanese system. Essentially, take on policies to keep those who genuinely identify as English in control in England. This isn't a skin colour but most definitely about being English without mixed allegiance. Non European immigration to be IQ and qualification based upon entry. Ban male circumcision outside of medical need. Ban the preparation and sale of halal meat. Pass laws to make stripping citizenship easier for those on Islamic watch lists and negotiate a cash deal with a country like pakistan to take them.....after that pause to review the system. Wew. You are getting rid of the Jews. Blimey. Do you know how long they have been English? I still haven't heard why you prefer Anglo Saxons to those of Norman extraction. Shouldn't we be getting rid of anyone with Viking blood too, agree with Denmark to take back those with Norman heritage for cash. And as for Vegans, well not eating bacon is totally un-English. Send them to the Isle of Man I say. Personally I enjoy skiing on the trends and mixing with a variety of people, ideas, religions and lifestyles. For some strange reason people are branded snowflakes or other nasty labels on this site precisely because they are not resistant to change. Surely it is being a snowflake (whatever that means) to run away from the opportunities (as well as challenges) brought by change.
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Croydon 12 Dec 18 2.55pm