The Wilfried Zaha Thread
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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 18 May 19 10.08am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle The biggest benefit atm is having a very valuable right back. He isn’t pivotal to the team or very creative at the present time. He’s improving there and has it in his natural ability at teenage level, but let’s be honest, it should be good business if we sell AWB for a huge fee and get someone decent in for nicely under £20 mil. Replacing Wilf will be far trickier.
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| Dancer Cat Farnborough 18 May 19 1.27pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Quite. I stand by what I said earlier in this thread. For a confidence player like him, I can't see any club that will guarantee him Champions League football, a regular start every week AND match his wages. Not in this country, but Bayern Munich (in need of re-build), both Milan clubs, the bigger French clubs trying to challenge PSG (Lyon, Marseille, Monaco etc), Spanish possibles Athletico with €108M from Greizman sale ?? There'll be viable takers. Also Wilf isn't "English" in terms of marketing - he's "Ivorian", which potentially attracts those clubs looking at expanding African exposure.
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| Dancer Cat Farnborough 18 May 19 1.33pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by JohnB
I think a big problem has been we came up with a team that was a counter attacking team. We were fantastic at it and still are. Holloway alluded to this in the interview where he said he wanted to change the style of play but the players had no interest in playing any other way. We've then had a chairman who clearly wants us to change the style of play and has made appointments with that goal in mind, Pardew, FDB, Holloway etc. The problem then comes when this doesn't work and we revert to Pulis, Allardyce, Roy etc. We typically spend when we are in danger and therefore, the purchases have been in keeping with the style of play needed to stay in the division. As you say, this is down to a complete lack of strategy and the balls to see it through. If we do sell in this window one or both of AWB and Zaha, now is the perfect time to try and implement that change with the funds available and getting players in to fit the long term goal. Unfortunately, I have no faith in us doing that or Roy having enough say in the transfers for them to fit his vision. If we do go through this process, it will undoubtedly be painful for the first few months, but the only way to progress is be brave and trust what you've implemented. It worked for Norwich but I fear we are too trigger happy here. Totally - we'd need a 3-4 year year plan which would have to factor in relegation & promotion. As a club, this isn't in our DNA (or in Parish's IMO) We s*** ourselves & kneejerk react when relegation comes a-knocking. It's actually worked thus far but results in the status quo in terms of style of play & recruitment.
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Lanzo-Ad  Lanzarote 18 May 19 1.47pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The biggest benefit atm is having a very valuable right back. He isn’t pivotal to the team or very creative at the present time. He’s improving there and has it in his natural ability at teenage level, but let’s be honest, it should be good business if we sell AWB for a huge fee and get someone decent in for nicely under £20 mil. Replacing Wilf will be far trickier. That is completely correct, selling Wilf will probable need major surgery on style and personnel, AWB just like for lik
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Dancer Cat
Not in this country, but Bayern Munich (in need of re-build), both Milan clubs, the bigger French clubs trying to challenge PSG (Lyon, Marseille, Monaco etc), Spanish possibles Athletico with €108M from Greizman sale ?? . He would be a tough sell to foreign buyers for top money though. Never played in CL or World Cup; only experience at big club was a failure
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| Vaibow vancouver/croydon 18 May 19 5.39pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by JohnB
I think a big problem has been we came up with a team that was a counter attacking team. We were fantastic at it and still are. Holloway alluded to this in the interview where he said he wanted to change the style of play but the players had no interest in playing any other way. We've then had a chairman who clearly wants us to change the style of play and has made appointments with that goal in mind, Pardew, FDB, Holloway etc. The problem then comes when this doesn't work and we revert to Pulis, Allardyce, Roy etc. We typically spend when we are in danger and therefore, the purchases have been in keeping with the style of play needed to stay in the division. As you say, this is down to a complete lack of strategy and the balls to see it through. If we do sell in this window one or both of AWB and Zaha, now is the perfect time to try and implement that change with the funds available and getting players in to fit the long term goal. Unfortunately, I have no faith in us doing that or Roy having enough say in the transfers for them to fit his vision. If we do go through this process, it will undoubtedly be painful for the first few months, but the only way to progress is be brave and trust what you've implemented. It worked for Norwich but I fear we are too trigger happy here. great post. We need a plan a and a plan b. Plan A is to evovle into a style, whilst playing in this league. Plan B is to evolve into a style and be comfortable if relegated.
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Rainforest  London England 18 May 19 8.12pm |
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 18 May 19 8.16pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The biggest benefit atm is having a very valuable right back. He isn’t pivotal to the team or very creative at the present time. He’s improving there and has it in his natural ability at teenage level, but let’s be honest, it should be good business if we sell AWB for a huge fee and get someone decent in for nicely under £20 mil. Replacing Wilf will be far trickier. if AWB went i would be more than happy putting werd back into the team.
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| Omph Liverpool 18 May 19 9.50pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle See your point in football terms but AWB is just going to get more and more valuable - A huge fee now could be small change for what we’d get in a couple of years time. Financially selling Wilf makes more sense if only because it would free up wages massively as well as boost the kitty. Part of me thinks it’s better to sell Wilf now while we are stable under Roy than next year when the new broom comes in. I’d back Roy to manage the transition - losing him will be an inevitable shock. I fear the scenario of losing our talisman and simultaneously getting in a new broom who’s going to shake things up Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The biggest benefit atm is having a very valuable right back. He isn’t pivotal to the team or very creative at the present time. He’s improving there and has it in his natural ability at teenage level, but let’s be honest, it should be good business if we sell AWB for a huge fee and get someone decent in for nicely under £20 mil. Replacing Wilf will be far trickier.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 May 19 10.36pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Omph
See your point in football terms but AWB is just going to get more and more valuable - A huge fee now could be small change for what we’d get in a couple of years time. Financially selling Wilf makes more sense if only because it would free up wages massively as well as boost the kitty. Part of me thinks it’s better to sell Wilf now while we are stable under Roy than next year when the new broom comes in. I’d back Roy to manage the transition - losing him will be an inevitable shock. I fear the scenario of losing our talisman and simultaneously getting in a new broom who’s going to shake things up Yeah you have a gery good point. Plus Wilf’s value has got to start dropping at the age he is, unless he regains excellent form again, and even then I doubt he’ll be worth as much for long.
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| blackheatheagle Beckenham 18 May 19 10.55pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle Strategy of selling Wilf should be similar to women`s strategy which is also similar to monkeys. Don`t leave a branch without grabbing a new one
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 18 May 19 11.03pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Wilfried Zaha Thread' by Midlands Eagle This post has been merged from a topic called 'Zaha wants out' by Midlands Eagle i recon, if we could sign michi that could persuade wilf to stay...michi seems like a really popular player and if wilf feels like he has somebody to put his play in the back of the net he will be happier here. i am guessing he wants to see progress and michi would defo make that happen. it is of course all ifs & buts, but wilf is earning a fortune at palace so its not a money move. the issue is, and obvs wilf knows this, but if he was playing for a top side where he wasnt afforded the attention he is when teams play palace he would easily be seen as a world class player...lets be honest he is as good if not better than mane/william/rashford/martial/son/sane/mahrez.
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