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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those who are defending "Robinson" and suggest he is being punished for who he is, and not what he did, are completely missing the point. This extract from the BBC's legal correspondent, Clive Coleman, explains it pretty well:-

"Contempt of court laws exist to ensure people get fair trials. The idea is that juries must not be influenced by anything but the evidence they hear in court.

The rules apply to everyone from journalists to people posting comments on social media, and even jurors.

If someone interferes with a trial, the defendants can walk free and a new trial may have to be held.

The maximum sentence for contempt of court is two years in prison, but it can also be punished with an unlimited fine.

Contempt includes publishing anything that creates a substantial risk of seriously prejudicing "active" criminal proceedings. Proceedings become "active" when a suspect is arrested.

Someone could also be in contempt by actions including taking photographs or film, recording what is said in court or talking to a jury member about a case.

Reporting restrictions had been put in place postponing the publication of any details of the 2018 case at Leeds Crown Court until the end of a series of linked trials involving 29 defendants.

Robinson broadcast the footage from outside the court on 25 May 2018, while the jury in the second trial of the series was considering its verdict.

The video lasted an hour-and-a-half and was viewed online 250,000 times after being live-streamed on Facebook."

So just suppose that any of the lawyers defending the 29 accused men had successfully argued that their client's defence had been compromised and a guilty man had then walked free because of "Robinson's" contempt how would you feel about it?

Was what "Robinson" did really in the best interests of all the abused victims, if it potentially allowed their abusers to walk free?

The fact that reporting restrictions were in place also, I trust, lays to rest all those accusations about the press failing to do their job. They were bound by law not to report anything.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (06 Jul 2019 9.47am)

Seems strange that the media are all over other cases though doesn't it?
The BBC had cameras on helicopters for Cliff Richard. The media never stopped hounding Freddie Starr - even making accusations at his funeral.
Yet, there has been little or no reporting of any of the several Asian grooming gangs.
For their level of crimes committed they should be household names and their villainous and evil photos should be everywhere. They should be rightly demonised.
They are guilty of abuse and rape of minors - some of whom have committed suicide since.
Ask yourself the question - why are there restrictions on reporting here? The answer is their race and religion.
The government do not want a backlash when really they should be dealing with a problem that is more prevalent amongst a certain demographic.
It is like the knife crime in London. Not one commentator has said that the problem is amongst young black males, because they are afraid if being called racist.
I just wonder how it can be racist to raise real issues and tell the truth.
We are being let down by our government and media who clearly have their own agenda. And that agenda does not include simply addressing real societal problems - the agenda is controlling the narrative whilst doing nothing.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Seems strange that the media are all over other cases though doesn't it?
The BBC had cameras on helicopters for Cliff Richard. The media never stopped hounding Freddie Starr - even making accusations at his funeral.
Yet, there has been little or no reporting of any of the several Asian grooming gangs.
For their level of crimes committed they should be household names and their villainous and evil photos should be everywhere. They should be rightly demonised.
They are guilty of abuse and rape of minors - some of whom have committed suicide since.
Ask yourself the question - why are there restrictions on reporting here? The answer is their race and religion.
The government do not want a backlash when really they should be dealing with a problem that is more prevalent amongst a certain demographic.
It is like the knife crime in London. Not one commentator has said that the problem is amongst young black males, because they are afraid if being called racist.
I just wonder how it can be racist to raise real issues and tell the truth.
We are being let down by our government and media who clearly have their own agenda. And that agenda does not include simply addressing real societal problems - the agenda is controlling the narrative whilst doing nothing.

Top post.
As I have already said I think the guy is a t***.
Buy he HELPED to highlight what was going on.
But the real issue here is what's said above 1000s and 1000s of young vulnerable girls being used by Muslim gangs for years and years.

And the government,social services and the police should all hang their heads in shame.
f*** upsetting the "community ".

 


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Originally posted by Mapletree

That is totally untrue. Nobody has ever given any proof that Lennon did anything to stop the grooming gangs. He just jumped on a moving bus to advertise his broader views about Muslims

Again I ask, show me any evidence his interventions have done something positive.

Why this insistence on calling him Lennon? Presumably Zaha will become Dazet if he leaves or at least “Wilf”.
Quite ironic that if Robinson identified as a woman it would be a hate crime to “dead name” her regardless of her politics.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC


Ask yourself the question - why are there restrictions on reporting here? The answer is their race and religion.
The government do not want a backlash when really they should be dealing with a problem that is more prevalent amongst a certain demographic.

Much though you and so many others here might want this to be true, it isn't. It is simply wrong!

The answer is it is against the law and as the law is the same for everyone it is blind to issues of race or religion.

The government may well not want a backlash but they don't have any role at all in this. The person issuing the reporting restriction order would have been the presiding Judge who would take their decision unrestricted by government. Parliament may make the law but once made the judiciary operate it, free of any interference.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (06 Jul 2019 11.29am)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Much though you and so many others here might want this to be true, it isn't. It is simply wrong!

The answer is it is against the law and as the law is the same for everyone it is blind to issues of race or religion.

The government may well not want a backlash but they don't have any role at all in this. The person issuing the reporting restriction order would have been the presiding Judge who would take their decision unrestricted by government. Parliament may make the law but once made the judiciary operate it, free of any interference.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (06 Jul 2019 11.29am)

Except Cliff Richard wasn’t afforded any of this consideration.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

He is being punished for doing something seriously wrong. When he was already on a final warning. Anything else is just spin.

Nope.

Journalists have been hounding the accused outside courts in trials for many many decades. It's complete and utter hypocrisy.

The placing of press restrictions on these trials is a tool of political suppression by whoever implemented it....The judge who threw this out originally said that Robinson hadn't endangered the trial and the new charges reflect the state twisting and turning....what was the chief charge? 'Subjective recklessness' The 'causing of anxiety' to the defendants.....It's beyond a joke.

Political decisions because of who he is.

You may be happy with this outcome but I very much regard this as stroking fire.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 11.52am)

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Except Cliff Richard wasn’t afforded any of this consideration.

It might have been reprehensible and something which deservedly attracted criticism but you are comparing chalk and cheese.

So far as I am aware CR was not even arrested, let alone charged with an offence and tried in a Court. His home was raided by the Police seeking evidence. Therefore there were nor could have been any reporting restrictions.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Much though you and so many others here might want this to be true, it isn't. It is simply wrong!

The answer is it is against the law and as the law is the same for everyone it is blind to issues of race or religion.

The government may well not want a backlash but they don't have any role at all in this. The person issuing the reporting restriction order would have been the presiding Judge who would take their decision unrestricted by government. Parliament may make the law but once made the judiciary operate it, free of any interference.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (06 Jul 2019 11.29am)

I have already pointed out where this wasn't the case. If it had been a group of white peodophiles they would have been reported on. This happened with the celebrity cases and with the Westminster cases. They were reported on as being in the public interest - even though many accusations have been proven to be false.
It also doesn't excuse why after convictions these cases were not widely reported on still. After being convicted no such law is in place. I stick by my point that the reason is race and religion. I also stick by my point that race is why knife crime is not being curbed effectively. This is an issue that should concern everyone yet you seem to think it is in our best interests that nothing is done. I don't blame you for trusting the law and due process. However, that is being wheeled out as an excuse for some but not for others.
Clearly, the government and media have decided what we should and shouldn't be told. That is concerning.

 


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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Much though you and so many others here might want this to be true, it isn't. It is simply wrong!

The answer is it is against the law and as the law is the same for everyone it is blind to issues of race or religion.

The government may well not want a backlash but they don't have any role at all in this. The person issuing the reporting restriction order would have been the presiding Judge who would take their decision unrestricted by government. Parliament may make the law but once made the judiciary operate it, free of any interference.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (06 Jul 2019 11.29am)

More elitist blow jobbing by you.

The reality is that the judiciary is full of middle class left wingers who look down at Robinson and are lock step with the government.....Arguing about who implemented what is like arguing about which soldier fired the bullet....Most of them are on the same side against him.....just like you are.

The re-charging of Robinson was a decision made by the Attorney General Geoffrey Cox a sitting Tory MP.

Your arguments....as usual....are holed below the waterline.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 11.59am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Like your username, the opposite is true.

You'll have to come to the Rebellion festival so I can show you that punks not dead

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It might have been reprehensible and something which deservedly attracted criticism but you are comparing chalk and cheese.

So far as I am aware CR was not even arrested, let alone charged with an offence and tried in a Court. His home was raided by the Police seeking evidence. Therefore there were nor could have been any reporting restrictions.

Right. So Robinson's mistake was to wait until the accused had been charged. If he’d simply broadcast some baseless accusations before any arrests he’d have been fine. Right. Got it.

 

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Originally posted by punksnotdead

You'll have to come to the Rebellion festival so I can show you that punks not dead

Fair enough, I'm nearly fifty...it was s***e the first time around I doubt it's got any better.

 


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