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 Hrolf The Ganger  02 Oct 19 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not the one "banging on about" any grievances"! It's all those who are complaining about their version of Brexit not being done who are doing that! All I am doing is pointing out where the real responsibilities lie and why and how they are being exercised. No PM can ever, at any time, guarantee anything. They always have to achieve Parliamentary approval first and unless and until that has been done nothing can be turned into law. But he did, and that's what people care about. If you give your word, some of us still expect you to keep it.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Oct 19 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As the average traditional Tory voter isn't stupid I wonder how long they will tolerate these kind of nonsensical statements. The blatant electioneering give away lies and fake promises are so transparent even the most gullible in the land are going to recognise them for the puffs they are. Clearly a predetermined strategy it has to be designed to appeal to the Brexit party type of voter and those on the left who favour just "getting out". I though wonder if those in the southern shires will tolerate it for long. I saw a Major Blimp type question the wisdom of raising the "living wage" yesterday and eyebrows being raised at the claims that the Tories are now the party of the "working man". This is a very poor government populated by lightweights and manipulated by marketeers controlled by who knows who. Not us, that's for sure. Yes it's never been done before politicians making promises at party conferences. Of course it's electioneering that's the whole point what do you think Corbyn and the Lib Dems were doing at theirs? It's why I never watch these jamborees it's just BS for the faithful.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Oct 19 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yes it's never been done before politicians making promises at party conferences. Of course it's electioneering that's the whole point what do you think Corbyn and the Lib Dems were doing at theirs? It's why I never watch these jamborees it's just BS for the faithful. It's almost as if Wisbech was born yesterday.
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| dannyboy1978 02 Oct 19 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not the one "banging on about" any grievances"! It's all those who are complaining about their version of Brexit not being done who are doing that! All I am doing is pointing out where the real responsibilities lie and why and how they are being exercised. No PM can ever, at any time, guarantee anything. They always have to achieve Parliamentary approval first and unless and until that has been done nothing can be turned into law. They always guarantee democracy!
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| steeleye20 Croydon 02 Oct 19 3.02pm |
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When you vote, for anything, you have the hope that your side will be successful. But the idea that leave posters on here have, that they are entitled to the proceeds, is ridiculous. I have had some hope when voting, often dashed but occasionally satisfied. Governments, especially new ones, quickly become acquainted with reality often miles apart from their promises. A good administration, in my view, is one that focuses on the reality and adjusts to it. But all too often they just plough on regardless, buoyed by the voters partisanship.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Oct 19 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
He's just an old cantankerous fool! We really need and ignore button for him and his repetitive posts! I totally agree with you on that point. Its like talking to a brick wall with him and the repetitive BS that he posts all the time proves it. You will never win with him as he just a lower deck lawyer.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Oct 19 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
When you vote, for anything, you have the hope that your side will be successful. But the idea that leave posters on here have, that they are entitled to the proceeds, is ridiculous. I have had some hope when voting, often dashed but occasionally satisfied. Governments, especially new ones, quickly become acquainted with reality often miles apart from their promises. A good administration, in my view, is one that focuses on the reality and adjusts to it. But all too often they just plough on regardless, buoyed by the voters partisanship. We were but your lot just do not understand the way things work. You have tried every trick in the book to stop Brexit and even the Speaker changed the law to help you out together with that awful woman Gina Miller.
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Teddy Eagle  02 Oct 19 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
But you’ve said many times that we elect them to do as they think best so why expect any control?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 19 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In fairness to the PM all he has done is tell conference the plan is ready and is going to the EU today and if they like what they see then he will discuss it with parliament. He has only done what many other PMs have done in the past, nothing to see here. Let's wait to see what the EU says and find out the details rather than rely on leaks and hints.
From the extract I heard he seemed to give quite an outline of the main thrust. I completely understand that PMs will often outline intended policy at their party conference to see how it is received by their membership and make them feel involved. This though is well above just another policy and at this time, with the Tories not in control, it ought to have gone to Parliament first. It was very much in his interests to do so, if, and only if, he is serious about wanting a deal because he needs to try to get Parliament to support it. Standing ovations at conferences won't do that.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 19 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But he did, and that's what people care about. If you give your word, some of us still expect you to keep it. Then complain to Cameron for saying things he was unable to actually do. I could guarantee to fly you to the moon tomorrow. Most people wouldn't believe me but if you did whose fault would that be? Me for making a promise which was impossible to deliver, or yours for showing trust in a statement most knew to be impossible? That some who voted leave feel let down is really obvious, and regrettable, but it doesn't change facts. Parliament are rightly in control and not a minority government.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 19 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But you’ve said many times that we elect them to do as they think best so why expect any control? We elect a Parliament. The government is formed from the Parliament. The government has lost control because enough MPs no longer support it. My comments were about the government selected by a PM who was himself chosen by just 100,000 or so of us. Parliament is doing just fine. Messy but functioning as it should.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Oct 19 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Then complain to Cameron for saying things he was unable to actually do. I could guarantee to fly you to the moon tomorrow. Most people wouldn't believe me but if you did whose fault would that be? Me for making a promise which was impossible to deliver, or yours for showing trust in a statement most knew to be impossible? That some who voted leave feel let down is really obvious, and regrettable, but it doesn't change facts. Parliament are rightly in control and not a minority government. You go round in circles with the same old crap. Brexit is not impossible to deliver. It is only those opposing it for self interest that are making it appear that way. There will not be a 'no deal' permanently anyway, as you and all the other Remain bulls***ters know full well.
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